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Not one for the apologists ,
The title of this thread is really bothering me. OP needs to fix it.
http://talksport.com/football/revea...e-football-club-brands-world-150608149894?p=9
Amazing, to me anyway, that Chelsea and City are ranked higher than Barcelona. The transformation that can be achieved by having owners that really back their club is staggering.
Of course superior brand value doesn't guarantee superior performance in the CL, or indeed the EL, as English clubs have demonstrated time and again in recent seasons. Though with the riches of the Prem, Europe in some ways isn't as important to our clubs as it is to clubs in many other European leagues.
As for us, our owners seem to value the club at something like four times as much as Forbes, (not sure exactly what £1.2bn translates to in dollars.)
Amazing, to me anyway, that Chelsea and City are ranked higher than Barcelona. The transformation that can be achieved by having owners that really back their club is staggering.
Of course superior brand value doesn't guarantee superior performance in the CL, or indeed the EL, as English clubs have demonstrated time and again in recent seasons. Though with the riches of the Prem, Europe in some ways isn't as important to our clubs as it is to clubs in many other European leagues.
As for us, our owners seem to value the club at something like four times as much as Forbes, (not sure exactly what £1.2bn translates to in dollars.)
Thanks for that info EN.
I'd never thought of it like that before. I assumed brand value meant the whole caboodle.
Given what you say is correct, that makes quite a difference.
For example, I guess with us that ENIC upped our value from £1bn to 1.2bn partly because we made some progress on the stadium this year. (Notably the Archway CPO)
Actually likely if you're measuring based on global TV/internet interest and merchsndise sales. Remember how poor Serie A and the Bundesliga have been at getting themselves on TV in foreign countries...
The recent Premier League boom doesn't make us a more marketable club than either of the Milan clubs, with their history and success IMO.
You've named some failed signings. They all had a chance to prove themselves. City and Chelsea in particular stack talent and just hope one comes off. Look at Cuadrado...the bloke cost £26m and he's been a last minute substitute for 6 months. Funnily enough, he simply replaced Salah's role. Just like Adam Johnson at City, and when he left - Scott Sinclair replaced his role.
Every club is guilty of signing a player and maybe not getting out of them what they should (M'Bia at QPR couldn't pass 5 yards, now 2 time winner of EL with Sevilla as an example) but we're not comparable to those cunts.
Chelsea have something like 28 players out on loan. And they're not all kids. Players that are signed with real promise of first team football. Look at De Bruyne. Where the fuck are Atsu and Van Ginkel? They're never gonna cut it, but they insist on hoovering up that talent in the hope that one pays off. They know most are going to fail, and they can afford to fail 19 times out of 20. We can't.
Exactly. They can afford to fail and we can't. They are better at it than we are.
What I mean is that they have invested better in their team and infrastructure than we have. We sell our failed players for £5m. They sell theirs for £20m.
It's not about who's marketable because of their story, it's about who's seen in more countries because their league gets shown on TV. That's why the entire Premier League is now in the top 40 of the richest clubs on the planet. It's not merit or achievements, it's simply being plastered on every fucking screen on God's green earth...
I think the nail is getting very close to being hit on the head here... it seems that when the MEGA rich clubs 'simply' buybuybuy to success but don't win a trophy, thy just buybuybuy some more until they do!
When we buybuybuy and don't win anything, Berbatov leaves, Modric leaves, Bale leaves, Lloris lea.....
When we buybuybuy and don't win anything, Berbatov leaves, Modric leaves, Bale leaves, Lloris lea.....
I know it was different when Abromovich took over, but now they can afford it in the days of FFP because they buy and sell better than we do. Because they buy better young talent than us, they sell them for more money if they don't want them. This means they can afford to buy better than us again next season as they again have more money.
They are also still losing money, still running up debt and still on the very thin margins of FFP.
They buy the best young talent they can, but have a very poor track record of developing that talent. If anything, the de Bruyne example is a pretty clear argument that a young player should never sign for Chelsea.
They currently use their youth loans and semi-legal relationship with Vitesse Arnheim to generate a profit which can cover some FFP losses, but their approach has yet to yield success on the pitch. I think I'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't think buying and selling players with more zeroes attached is doing "better". For me, developing your youth talent into useful first team players is doing "better".
I agree that young players are taking a risk signing for Chelsea, but the queue will still go round the block.
Good stuff as usual Simmo. And no I don't understand that diasagree either.
Though if I wrote 2+2=4, it would be no surprise if one of my 'fan club' stuck a 'disagree' on that
Incidentally here's a view on this topic from a Guardian writer and Spurs season ticket holder.
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/totten...k-on-field-ambition-but-not-in-the-boardroom?
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/totten...k-on-field-ambition-but-not-in-the-boardroom?
Mr. Razor Blades? He also is negative about just about anything to do with us.
We have a good team. It will get better with time. It will get even better with a few shrewd changes in personnel.
It is good enough to finish in the top 4 or even win the League? Not yet, but given time, there are plenty of reasons to be positive. Those reasons don't require hundreds of millions of pounds of spending to satisfy short-termist viewpoints that think they're owed something.
why do you say the club has ruined those players?
I don't believe the club has done anything harmful to them at all - but just as embarrassing, the club paid well over the odds for players who just simply weren't worth what we paid for them.
If they had the talent that they were expected to have - it would have shone through.
If you buy a 100 Watt (220V) bulb and plug it into 220VAC supply, it puts out 100 Watts
If you buy a 10 Watt (220V) bulb and plug it into 220VAC supply, it puts out 10 Watts
you can't blame the mains supply because it doesn't put out the 100 Watts you were hoping for.
I agree with you as much as it's possible to do;
The UAE Group who own City are owned by the Saudi Royal Family and let's say they are not a Liberal bunch when it comes to human rights ! What they are doing buying up so many high profile western assets is debatable give how sharia law works.
As for the lovely Roman @ the Chavs. Well the leap from two bedroom council estate to global billionaire did not happen without some eggs being broken, and I doubt many starving Russian citizens affected by the antics feel like singing it's a ( fucking ) Blue Day !
Sorry to be heavy but it is the truth.