Questioning Pochettino

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The Hood said:
I didn’t say it was a minor thing - but it is no where as an impressive feat that it would have been a decade ago.

United have been a complete disaster since Ferguson left, Woolwich’s board have allowed them to steadily decline each year, Liverpool have only just recovered from their recent decline and Chelsea are quintessential yo yo club. The only club to show any modicum of consistency is City. And let’s not forget that we have had a superior group of players than most of those aforementioned sides in that time.

And this team is vastly better to the one Redknapp had Just compare it to the 09/10 season. Our strikers consisted of Defoe and Crouch ( who was a main striker for most of that CL campaign) And the full backs aren’t the same - Ekotto was our left back for most of that period and Corluka was our right back for a large part. Walker and Rose’s careers were in their infancy - with the latter only being moved to left back at the end of Redknapp’s reign. Palacios was absolute garbage who dined of 3-4 good early performances and Adebayor had 1 loan spell under him.

The squads are simply not comparable - we are far more stronger than we were then. And I don’t see how anyone can claim Pochettinho pisses over Redknapp when their achievements at the club are relatively comparable. Both should have achieved silverware with the players they had but both squandered it due to combination of ignorance towards the tournaments that represented our best opportunity and due to their own personal limitations.
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Play the post.

This deserves praise.

A fair and good read.
 
Notabadsquad said:
As a season's analysis of course it does.

If however you look at it from the Burnley game it might be a different answer.

Again, was it Pochettino or Levy who decided that we should not strengthen at all in January and if Pochettino, would that count against him in terms of judgement?

My hope and inclination is that we see what next season brings under Pochettino. That we buy some players and that Pochettino can restore a new sense of playing purpose and direction.

10 defeats this season, the most of the top 6, never dominating teams and being too willing to change players were not indicative of a man with clarity.

But yep. 4 good seasons and with this still possibly another one but not one where our performances will live long in the memory are not the best signs.
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....My post had little to do with rating this season. I would cite similar things you did in my assessment. My point remains simple....

Rhetorical or not, the question very quickly becomes; 'If we finish with no CL should we sack Poch?'.

I say no.

You?
 
Airfixx said:
So in an industry where some manage into their 70s, the first 10 years out a 30/40 year careers span is a diff stratosphere of experience compared the ratio of a senior player having clocked up 4 of 15/20?

Just cos a number of young managers have won trophies, that doesn't equate to Poch having no further scope for improvement.

Guardiola is a spoiled cunt and had thee elite upbringing/resources as a manager.
Simeoni plays horrific football.
Goons are welcome to Emrie.

Fuck off.
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Name me an elite level manager currently managing a an elite club who is in his 60s or 70? Name me one who is over the age of 55? Two of the best managers a decade ago were Mourhino and Benitez - now one of them out of work and the other is at Newcastle. Managers are no different to players they have on the whole the same lifecycles. The prime age for most managers is between 45 and 50 ( just look at the games most recent successful managers as proof of that ). The optimum comparison is a player of 28-29 so the notion that he has his career ahead of him is just laughably ignorant . Pochettinho isnt a young manager just like Emery, Simone, Guardiola and Conte are not young managers just please peddle this lies. I can only imagine you would still be espousing such nonsense in a decade. But but Alex Ferguson won a title in his 60s there is still time for Poch to progress - he is only 57.
 
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The Hood said:
Name me an elite level manager currently managing a an elite club who is in his 60s or 70? Name me one who is over the age of 55? Two of the best managers a decade ago were Mourhino and Benitez - now one of them out of work and the other is at Newcastle. Managers are no different to players they have on the whole the same lifecycles. The prime age for most managers is between 45 and 50 ( just look at the games most recent successful managers as proof of that ). The optimum comparison is a player of 28-29 so the notion that he has his career ahead of him is just laughably ignorant . Pochettinho isnt a young manager just like Emery, Simone, Guardiola and Conte are not young managers just please peddle this lies. I can only imagine you would still be espousing such nonsense in a decade. But but Alex Ferguson won a title in his 60s there is still time for Poch to progress - he is only 57.
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Roy Hodgson and Neil Warnock are elderly managers.

oh...

:eriksenserious:
 
Airfixx said:
Did i say managers peak at 60/70?

No.

Have i been throwing words around like 'elite' and 'best of the last decade'?

No.

Will Pochetino improve?

I beleive so.

Why is it so wild to you that a man can learn new things and develope beyond his mid 40s?

'The average age a trophy winning manager wins their first major trophy' may be a starting point if it's worth continuing this, but i couldn't readily find such a stat....
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Because the number of coaches who have progressed on at that age is extremely limited and the number who have declined is substantial.

Pochettino has been a manager for a decade, he has been here for 5 years. What evidence is there to suggest further improvement? We have actually regressed from previous seasons and he has shown absolutely no improvement in the domestic cups which represent our best chance of success. He had the same exact ignorant attitude towards these that he had at Southampton.

You may we think we haven’t seen the best of him - I think it is blatantly apparent that we have and his limitations will exposed for all to see when this team has to be rebuilt in the next 12- 18 months.

It’s actually astonishing that a Spurs manager can have a team which has consisted of Lloris, Rose, Alderwield, Walker, Dembele, Dier, Son, Ali, Eriksen, Kane that didn’t win anything with those players, that didn’t actually really come close to winning anything and still have supporters claim the best is yet to come with him. Unbelievable.

The guy is going to make you look like complete fools with the statements & excuses you routinely make for him.
 
Some of the bollocks on this thread is absolutely embarrassing. Have a fucking word with yourselves lol
Comparing Arry to Poch, talking about him getting the boot- are you for real ffs!?

Wembley, injuries, lack of signings/key players not being replaced or playing enough-the reasons we have been a bit shit this year are so glaringly obvious I find it hard to comprehend how some won't give him a fucking break.

We need a huge overhaul in playing staff that is true and the other thing thats true is that we may very well have missed the boat to win the league for a while. City are another level entirely and unfortunately it looks like Pep will be there a long time with endless pits of money to dominate. Then we have liverpool, who have had their best season in 40 years, lost one match and are still going to finish second-imho we haven't a chance of closing the gap to top enough in the next year or even two no matter what Poch does but that doesn't make him a shit manager or he should be sacked.
Whether he will be here long enough to give it a real go with a rebuilt squad that remains to be seen but he was right earlier in the season when he said it could take ten years to win the title.
 
Mick Cooper said:
I actually do like some of what he says, but his method of delivering his opinions is hard to take.
Plus, I have a massive problem with people who try to turn sports into a science.
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He comes across as a dry shite but I know him well. I think his sense of humour goes under the radar at times.

As for stats, Mick, the sport seems to revolve around them these days. We probably employ an army of guys who do that stuff. I agree that BC could do with dropping some of the jargon, and have said this to him privately. But he's a truculent sort of cunt.
 
I wish Pochettino was more savvy.

He should be talking of us being massive underdogs and with it all against us, to stoke that warrior mentality.

Instead he talks of us being brave.

No trophies as yet maybe for a reason.
 
Airfixx said:
So by this token estimation Poch will start to decline in around 7 years time.?

I smell bullshit, but regardless u still fall short of provid anything concrete as to why he can't improve in the meantime.
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It may be 3 it may be 7 seven years it doesn’t alter the fact that whilst at his peak he still isn’t good enough to win silverware with one of the best teams around. That’s a fact he hadn’t done what his peers have despite having a squad equal to theirs.

But hey there is no concrete evidence for this apart from every single one of those managers I mentioned. I guess you also believe that players don’t have lifecycles as well - there is no evidence of course. Kane will still be one of the games best at 40 - his career is ahead of him!!

Airfixx said:
Hmmmmmmm..... Reality bores you. Tough shit.....

Ironic; cos your perceived reality is prrrrrrettty fucking tedious too.

Those red cards you are so well versed in collecting arent a conspiracy; you're company is just commonly found to be undesired.......



Like fuck it did, you delusional wanker! 3rd & CL qtrs? Buuuuuullshit. All you see is darkness....
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Perceived reality? So we actually won silverware then? We didn’t fall short everytime when pressure was applied? Our focus of CL revenues has resulted in superior signings? Has positioned amongst the elite ? Apologies if I don’t subscribe to this fantasy - I prefer to focus on reality and I like to focus of things like outcomes and facts.

Airfixx said:
.....How's your pro-active anti-Poch action panning out?

....Flying banners all booked for the CL Qtrs?

....You'll be outside protesting? ....Showing your strength of prinicipal i assume?

Like fuck you will, you shit spewing, hot-air blowing pussy.

The fact u believe you're on some crusade of truth is the most fucked up part of all this... You actually think it's edgy and righteous to sit and moan; endlessly predicting failure... Any soft cunt can be a negative miserable melt.
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I haven’t called for him to be sacked, i haven’t called for banners - I simply want him to step up to the mark, I want him to stop underachieving. I want the supporters to actually remember what they are and stop giving him an endless free pass. Every professional at the clubs should be held to account - it is our duty as the custodians of the club to do this. However for some warped reason so many think otherwise - even in a thread providing critique there are some still asking why this thread exists. It’s quite something.
 
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