Poch out?

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Poch out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 161 36.9%

  • No

    Votes: 275 63.1%
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Spaniel said:
So why hasn't he? He's had long enough.
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MVP said:
I guess the next man in only has 8 games then.
I've said this repeatedly last season he got us 4th and into a CL final, the only way to better than that is 3rd and above and winning it.

Not only that but bringin a new guy at this stage is very unfair to the new guy. He's under pressure to get results quickly, he hasn't had a preseason with the players or a transfer window. He would have to rebuild the side, that takes time and patience.
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He didn't get us to the final. It was an amazing run of luck as was our 4th place. Due to the poor playing of the other contenders. By the time he rebuilds the side, all our key players will have gone. Harry and Son want and deserve a trophy and they're not going to get it here. This ridiculous hero worship of Poch who can do no wrong is just people sticking their heads in the sand. You all need to face the reality that we are mediocre at best and something has to give. I'd also like to point out that the man who got us into the final spent the final on the bench. That was personal and may have cost us the title. Do you really want a manager who puts his personal likes and dislikes before the team? Because that's what we've got and they should kick his small minded arse out the door.
 
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therealITK said:
It's fucking hilarious that people think we should get rid of the squad instead of Poch. What have we become? COYP? How people are unable to see this man's ceiling is head-scratching. He's not winning a trophy in his career so however long he stays here, that's the minimum time we won't see silverware either.

We've got 22 points in the last 20 games. That gets you 41.8 points over the full season. Relegation candidates and yet Poch must stay. Fuck is wrong with some of you.

When we lose to relegated Watford, perhaps a thrashing too, will people begin to see the light? Probably not.
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Don't waste your time. So many people would rather pretend it's all ok because they simply can't take truth. Of course there's no question he should go. And go before more damage is done. Win or lose to Watford means nothing. Bayern, Colchester and Brighton have shown us where we are. Now let's face it and DO something.
 
Borodin55 said:
I'm on about Poch being able to leave January as well. He won't walk away from a £32m compensation package but if RM agree to pay £30m for Eriksen then Levy gives that money to Poch so they can both disappear early.
RM get Eriksen and Poch in January and it costs Daniel nothing for effectively 'sacking' the manager.
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Why would RM want Poch?
 
Spaniel said:
Why would RM want Poch?
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Exactly.

Whatever the Pochettino outcome and it's at or very close to decision time, it will take some leap for Real, Manchester United or anyone seen as a bigger club to want him at present.

The biggest 2 reasons are he has never shown the ability to win the biggest matches and not really shown he knows how to deal with top drawer talent.

I don't think it's cut and dried he goes as quickly as the statistics of the last 20 games suggest though.

The issue really is who stands out that won't completely destabilise and oversee the next 3 or 4 years?

I think it's less Pochettino not deserving the sack as opposed to who replaces him that inspires confidence.
 
Smogz said:
What does this one say?

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Nothing very new but largely, that it's everyone fault to varying degrees. The players, the board & Poch:
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But there is a broader issue than just players thinking about their next move. And that is a pervasive sense of tiredness, mental and physical, within the squad after five draining years. Most of these players — Lloris, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Rose, Ben Davies, Lamela, Eric Dier, Eriksen, Kane, Dele Alli, Heung Min Son — have been here since Pochettino’s first or second season. And there is a common feeling that they have very little left to give.

Part of this is physical, after years of hard-running football and double sessions. One long-serving player has complained about the “same old sessions and messages”. But it is also mental, after five years of authoritative controlling management and a relentless schedule, with players also complaining at how few days they are given off. “The place is a regime and they’re sick of him,” one dressing room source said. “It’s his way or nothing, there is no balance. The players don’t get the impression they are trusted at all.”

Pochettino has not lost the dressing room, and the players know what a debt they owe to him. But they just cannot keep playing like they used to. “The players are not revolting against him,” said a source, “but they have been driven so hard, they don’t know if they have got anything left to give.”
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The priority over the past decade has been the club’s infrastructure and Levy has secured it for a lifetime. In 2012 Spurs opened their new £50 million training ground, and six months ago, they opened their £1.2 billion new stadium. Each of those is rated the best in Europe. Last season, before the stadium opened, they made a record profit of £113 million. Whatever happens next with Pochettino, the players, even the ownership of the club, it will have a guaranteed level of stability and success because of these.

What makes this even more impressive is that Tottenham built this ground without benefactor investment. They had to borrow £637 million to pay for it but more than £500 million of that has been refinanced through Bank of America at low interest rates, securing the club’s stable financial future. The delays in opening the stadium — it was meant to open at the start of last season, not the end — are forgotten already.

The problem is that Spurs had needed a major clear out of senior players, and a new generation of youngsters long before 2019. And that never happened.

You can argue that Levy should have done all this two years ago, to build on their 86-point season, and secure their best players long-term. But if you were expecting Levy to break his principles to gamble for success, you were looking in the wrong place.
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No one is more conscious of the threat of staleness than Pochettino himself. He has been desperate to end this old cycle here and start a new one. That is why he wanted to start moving on senior players years ago, and advocated a clear-out back in the summer of 2018.

Of course you can criticise specific selection or tactical decisions. Like the persistence with the 4-4-2 diamond system, which leaves Spurs exposed out wide. Even Moussa Sissoko admitted this week the team got tired quicker when they play that way.

Perhaps the strongest criticism of Pochettino concerns the mood. He has always been hot and cold, up and down, but increasingly so in recent months. After losing the Champions League final he was so upset that he went straight to his home in Barcelona, rather than flying back to London with the squad, raising eyebrows behind the scenes.

His comments about “different agendas” in the squad did not go down well with the players either, nor did the speculation in the past linking him with Manchester United or Real Madrid. Some players hoped that Pochettino’s latest contract, in May 2018, would guarantee spending on transfers and player contracts that never happened.

Trying to change the atmosphere might be the best thing Pochettino could do. This downturn is not personally his fault. It is what happens when a group of players overachieve for so long until their motivation fades, with reinforcements arriving too little, too late. But if results continue to get worse, then the pressure will all be on him.
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Guilherme Anater said:
I think Poch have nothing more to offer. Just figuring out his plan was just to build amazing fitness levels that can't be mantained forever without creep the players with injuries (Dier, Wanyama, Dele, Kane and Dembele seems pretty fucked by that). When he realized he was fucking players with this kind of fitness we stopped to press so much, probably because the training sessions weren't so intense anymore. Then we relied on other tactic, that I can't undestand, and doesn't seems to exist.
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I've been say this for last few years, getting players fit is not tactics
 
John Thomas said:
We have a chairman who doesn't.
Unless, in your world, the last 2 decades and 9 managers didn't happen
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Isn’t it funny you expect the same from managers that were inferior to Poch and had lesser squads as you do from Poch.
Hoddle lost a semi and a final.
Jol lost a semi final if my memory serves me, and 1pt off 4th
Harry lost a final, a semi final and a quarter final 4th twice
Poch lost two finals and three semis and top 4 four times and has been here years longer than everyone else

But it’s on Levy?

We won a trophy a decade ago and according to you we could have won at least another one but Poch dropped Lloris for Vorm and he fucked up on two goals and we lost.

So, not Levys fault that Poch is a serial loser.

He has taken us to regular top 4, but we are looking at mid table at best this season so the manager needs to go because it is he who is now going to not only fail again to win silverware but this time we won’t be playing CL football either.

What’s your next argument? He wasn’t given a top 4 squad? Hahaha
 
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sammyspurs said:
There at least three players I can remember saying they joined after speaking with Poch and Poch has said he spoke personally with Aurier about joining.

He’s pulled the wool over your eyes.

All this I’m not the manager stuff was another contradiction that you’ve said he hasn’t made.
if you think Ndombele was signed above his head, I think you’re being deliberately naive.
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Sorry to not respond until now, I've been away mate.

I literally posted that he speaks to players where he can (when the selling club will allow). He believes the character of the player is important and uses this conversation to know doubt learn about that and also "sell" the vision/plan/philosophy of the club. If it's possible then no doubt he would want to talk with 100% of all new signings be they for academy or Snr. team but this is football, there are no job interviews.

But if you think he's sitting with the players' agent negotiating over appearance money, bonuses, his salary etc you are having a laugh. He doesn't do ANY of this, to my knowledge I don't think there is a manager in top-flight football who does this. For us this what Levy and Rebbeca Caplehorn do, it's the very definition of their job descriptions, especially Caplehorn (Head of Football Operations).
 
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