Thought we played very well under Pleat....
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Context-less, arbitrary, disingenuous - a 25 year rolling graph, good grief, top 4 finishes back in an era when top 4 wasn't even a thing, good Lord lmao
So according to this Sugar and Scholar should be tied in together with the latter part of the previous regime ergo Sugar took us forward and ENIC has taken us backwards, I mean what?, Also didn't we get relegated on the 70s as well from the 1st division? What are we even doing here?
Like I already explained in the above post if your argument is whether ENIC have improved the team then why are you including previous owners before Sugar? It's such a non comparison.
wtf am I actually reading, this thread man
People wonder why I defend the board in here or whatever but this is the sort of nonsense I'm talking about, incredible.
Those 4 top finishes include top 4 of the Southern League and 2nd division.
That's fuckinf hilarious, who are those clowns and why have they presented bad data like that
I mean they literally have improved the team?
Tottenham away is that guy stelios right? Yeah I’m grand for him.
Other teams can improve too you know…. Like random eg Manchester City
We're not one of the 99% of English clubs are we though. Not really
We're one of the Big 6. and before ENIC, one of the Big 5.
One of the most illustrious names in British football and one of the wealthiest, best supported clubs on the planet.
To compare us to the 99% of English clubs is both disingenuous AND false because many of those clubs DO regularly win silverware relative to their status in the game.
We used to. We just don't anymore
WOW!
Thanks for sharing
what an absolutely shocking indictment of the great Lewis /Levy con, and those who spend endless hours on here apologising for it.
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I appreciate the reasonable debate.
I do think there’s a massive difference between finishing 3rd and 8th even if it didn’t feel like that then. The league is important too & in the last I’d say 20 years we’ve been a ‘pretty good’ league team. *excepted as i say - every year is not the same.
I’ve been a fan since 94 and I don’t recall a lot of wins over those teams in the 90s tbh. Could be my memory - most of my memories are of getting beaten
I know we beat united on the way to 99 LC. Was that Stephen carr beaut in the 90s?
Horrible memories of a home defeat to Liverpool when mcmanaman had a shot that walker went to collect it then bobbled on the ground as bounced over him .. awful stuff
20 years ago was 2002 - we were well into the top 4 era then IIRC. I was talking about pre-ENIC 1990's when it wasn't a thing. You'd get nothing more for 3rd than 8th other than playground bragging. Also, back then, a lot of team valued an FAC almost as highly as a league title. Before the CL really became the be all and end all.I appreciate the reasonable debate.
I do think there’s a massive difference between finishing 3rd and 8th even if it didn’t feel like that then. The league is important too & in the last I’d say 20 years we’ve been a ‘pretty good’ league team. *excepted as i say - every year is not the same.
I’ve been a fan since 94 and I don’t recall a lot of wins over those teams in the 90s tbh. Could be my memory - most of my memories are of getting beaten
I know we beat united on the way to 99 LC. Was that Stephen carr beaut in the 90s?
Horrible memories of a home defeat to Liverpool when mcmanaman had a shot that walker went to collect it then bobbled on the ground as bounced over him .. awful stuff
Really. Have you seen who gave the x
He's been endlesly stalking and kissing pretty much everyone's arse in this thread for the last 48 hours
Is it the person who has a photo of us 3-0 up against Real when it actually finished 3-1?Really. Have you seen who gave the x
He's been endlesly stalking and kissing pretty much everyone's arse in this thread for the last 48 hours
More worrying is the apathy in our supporter base that accepts that as most clubs don’t win trophies nor should we expect to.
Losers attitude.
How have they improved the team? They’ve presided over the biggest trophy drought in our history, is that improvement?
Years ago, if you went around bragging we finished third you would get laughed at
Didn’t we finish third in 87? All I recall is piss take from mates that we blew the two domestic cups.
Back when winning trophies mattered as it was a sport and not the top 4 finish to earn more money. We used to laugh at Wegner for that
Yeah it was 3rd in 87. I remember 82/3 when we were mostly shit due to injuries but went on a great run late on to get 4th and a UEFA cup spot but there was a pretty flat feeling, certainly no celebrations. The season was deemed a failure really.
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And it was the period when we weren’t very good under Conte that I didn’t enjoy,
Well they have!!
Previous 25years shows as 9th.
Now it’s 6th. That’s clear improvement. In black and white.
Especially taking into account the 51-75 period included two league titles and that’s also 6th!!!
I would question whether the season we finished 3rd on the second division in 1978 they counted that as a 3rd place or 25th.
As that’s not a 3rd place in the same way poch was in 2016 in my view.
If you base it on what fans of most teams base it on & care about & that’s actually winning trophies, they haven’t
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They have included 2nd division and non league top 4 finishes in their top 4 sums.
Fucking ridiculous.