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See post Player - Jordan Henderson
And I'm waiting for you to come back to me in regards to this post: Player - Jordan Henderson
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What do you want me to say, if you don't believe me there's nothing more to say.See post Player - Jordan Henderson
And I'm waiting for you to come back to me in regards to this post: Player - Jordan Henderson
I think you may have misunderstood me. I would never for a split second think that everyone in Saudi is like that. That's just mental. I am referring to the law makers and those that support this barbarity.
My son is convinced that Batman exists and actually lives in Gotham City. Doesn't make it so. Belief is not the same as scientific fact.
Mate we are having a healthy debate, I've asked you two questions which are in relation to my original point but if you don't want to continue the debate then that's cool, no harm - it's pointless even engaging in that case
Batman? See this is why I try and stay clear from these religious/cultural debates on the internet because you get pointless bad faith responses like this, oh well was fun whilst it lasted
All I can say to you is get the passport out my friend and do some travelling and learn to live amongst different cultures, I guarantee that your mind will be opened and you'd probably be more understanding, that's if you want it to be...
Batman? See this is why I try and stay clear from these religious/cultural debates on the internet because you get pointless bad faith responses like this, oh well was fun whilst it lasted
Not sure it is bad faith. I was merely using it as an analogy that just because someone believes something, doesn't make it so.
I'll happily admit to being an atheist (and I have travelled btw), and I'm more than happy for people to believe whatever they want. Where I draw the line is religious murder or something that inflicts suffering on others.
If someone wants to inflict harm based on a religious conviction, then it's not unreasonable to ask that person to prove that belief scientifically.
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It's not about experience of culture, it's a basic logical fact that there is no such thing as god. No Allah, no Yahweh, no Krishna, Thor or Odin. Voodoo curses don't work, there's no evil eye and you won't get bad luck for walking under a ladder.Batman? See this is why I try and stay clear from these religious/cultural debates on the internet because you get pointless bad faith responses like this, oh well was fun whilst it lasted
All I can say to you is get the passport out my friend and do some travelling and learn to live amongst different cultures, I guarantee that your mind will be opened and you'd probably be more understanding, that's if you want it to be...
And there are plenty of ignorant fucks who've travelled the world.
I can't be brought. He proved he couldn't. Your opinion won't change facts. I turn down money all the time on ethical grounds I turned down a hugely lucrative Qatari world cup job, it was easy and the zero's on cheque was irrelevant. Its not the binary you seem to think. We will all die and the money won't matter it the end.
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Part of the he FA statement on taking the knee;
"As the team has reiterated many times, they will collectively take the knee ahead of their fixtures during the tournament. They are doing this as a mechanism of peacefully protesting against discrimination, injustice, and inequality. This is personally important to the players and the values the team collectively represents."
They left out the bit that says ;
"But in reality we couldn't give a fuck"
Where did i say that? A person Saying messi should be turned on because he plays in USA is hypocritical when the country that invented the sport is guilty of as much if not worse for longer.
If thats our standard anyone playing in britain should be turned on.
Im pointing out the non validity of the arguement
Fairs, change that to the vast majority of people then, how much were you offered by the way of yiu don't mind me asking?
Also would there ever be a price that would turn your head?
Just because YOU probably have a price that you would take to forget any supposed 'principles' that you have, please don't assume everyone is like that.
How much would it take for YOU to go work in Saudi etc - let's turn that question on you,
Dunno depends what they're offering, package etc...
I'm definitely pushing them for the most I can get out of them, enough so I'm set for life anyway...
I turned down an eye watering amount to work in Saudi because I was warned off by other expats who had worked there previously. Not because of morals, but because I'd have spent years working in a desert camp.
I went to Qatar instead! The money wasn't as eye watering as Saudi, but there was definitely a build up of moisture.
The difference between someone like Henderson and myself is that I wasn't already a multi millionaire before going there and I'd never put myself forward as a supporter of LGBTQ (the terms never existed back then) and spent time in the public eye making sure everyone knew it.
I went to Qatar in order to set up the rest of my life, Henderson is already set, so his motivation is pure greed, same as every other player going there, it's money for Jam. Look at what Neymar was demanding as part of his package, 4 G Wagons? 4??!
How much is enough?
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is right Shady.. if you believe this then effectively you are saying you could be coherced into working for anyone as long as the sum of money is high enough....you know where that leads right? So Where's the line will you do ANYTHING as long as the price point is right. I don't believe that of you or indeed lots of people.
Of course I can, I'm not denying that - I think it's highly irresponsible to my family if I'm getting offered massive amounts of money and I turn it down, I have the opportunity to change my life and change theirs.
But I'm asking you if you have a price, like is there a price that will turn your head or are you saying hypothetically that you'd be happy to turn down any sum of money?
That is not a "logical fact". Not by a long stretch. Don't want to derail this thread and take it off topic but as someone interested in philosophy and who enjoys formal atheist/theist debates, I see the kalam argument for God or the contingency argument in particular as the much stronger positions than atheism. Some atheists often fall into fallacies of infinite regress of dependent things or claim a universe from nothing which are far more absurd propositions than maintaining an independent entity began the universe imo.
The point being some of the most well known philosophers are still debating these issues so to take one position as fact is absurd. To say it is the only logical position is to ignore the mountains of evidence that is provided by the opposite side in these debates.
People can believe what they want as long as you're not harming others due to those beliefs.
No genuine religion should preach anything other than equality, peace, love, etc.
And any culture that says women should serve men, that being gay is a crime, who kill any who oppose the leadership, etc shouldn't be pandered to.
You don't have to travel to understand that and going to these countries to kick a ball about, while taking obscene amounts of money in return, isn't going to educate them. They even greyed out the rainbow stuff in Henderson's welcome video ffs. They don't give a shit.
Publicly taking a stand and declining their offer, explaining in great detail why, might have helped a small bit.
Its why Neville was a prick around the World Cup and why the teams shouldn't have backed down about the rainbow armbands.
No genuine religion should preach anything other than equality, peace, love, etc.
And any culture that says women should serve men, that being gay is a crime, who kill any who oppose the leadership, etc shouldn't be pandered to.
You don't have to travel to understand that and going to these countries to kick a ball about, while taking obscene amounts of money in return, isn't going to educate them. They even greyed out the rainbow stuff in Henderson's welcome video ffs. They don't give a shit.
Publicly taking a stand and declining their offer, explaining in great detail why, might have helped a small bit.
Its why Neville was a prick around the World Cup and why the teams shouldn't have backed down about the rainbow armbands.
Just a reminder that Saudi Arabia last week sentenced to death a retired school teacher for critical tweeting with a grand total of 10 followers between two different accounts.
Saudi Arabia under MBS is an unconscionable totalitarian regime. They're absolutely no better than their arch rivals Iran.
Saudi Arabia under MBS is an unconscionable totalitarian regime. They're absolutely no better than their arch rivals Iran.