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Exactly and I said as much in the survey. Source of pride how we’ve reclaimed a derogatory slur.Personally I think banning the word from Spurs fans would smack of victim blaming, it would be bowing to the anti semitics and giving them what they want.
No i haven’t personally.But that's the psychology of the playground. I don't think that works with adults, have you noticed Chelsea and West Ham fans deciding that anti-semitism is a spent force because of our ownership of the Y word?
Before starting I think you've thought out and articulated your response well, so I'm not going on the attack here BUT!In terms of the Yid chants inflaming racism; this claim is completely upside down. If a gay couple are abused or attacked for, say, kissing, in public; should they be prosecuted, or their attackers?
I hope the link below works coz it takes you to an interesting piece by Gerald Jacobs, literary editor of the Jewish Chronicle; in it he asserts that the Spurs fans' chanting of Yid, Yid army etc is a wholly positive phenomena (in his opinion). There are a couple of points that I find compelling;
1. The term 'Yid' is not an inherently racist term, unlike 'nigger', which has always been a term of racist abuse. Using the word Yid in the way we use it is positive; any attempt to claim the usage of these words has the same meaning is flawed.
2. The furore around Spurs fans use of Yid is mostly stoked by the media and establishment figure who know nothing about being at a Spurs match. People have opinion's about issues but to claim something is racist without fully understanding the context is nonsense.
Couple of my own thoughts;
In terms of giving offence; well, I don't think things should be banned just because they give offence to a section of society. The Life of Brian offended thousands of Christians back in the day (again, many of whom hadn't seen it) who wanted it banned - a hilarious and beautiful work of art!
In terms of the Yid chants inflaming racism; this claim is completely upside down. If a gay couple are abused or attacked for, say, kissing, in public; should they be prosecuted, or their attackers?
Finally, if you try to ban something - look what it does!
Before starting I think you've thought out and articulated your response well, so I'm not going on the attack here BUT!
I think we have to consider our actions within our own context, so whether you think shouting 'Yid' is right or wrong has to be the question that rather than what the other guy would do.
If we stopped using the term, it would not stop rival fans being antisemitic, let's get that right, I wonder if it will make the abusers look worse, we stopped using the word and surprise surprise, they're still racist.
The reasons I think we'd stop would be if there was a strong message from Jewish people taking genuine umbrage, though if it's seen as Chelsea/West Ham/Woolwich supporters then it will look like whataboutisms. The other more likely reason would be an incremental reduction over time and that seems more likely if it ceases to feel appropriate to the club/supporters.
This is tricky, outside of the ground/Tottenham context, most folk would not use the term 'Yid' because we know it's an offensive word that can be considered racist. If you consider that statement to be true, even if we keep using it and the motives behind it are good, we need to retain that awareness at least.
How many fucking times?? Its not complicated... The word YID means/MEANT 'Friend/mate' in Yiddish... ask any Jew you like! (Not the Millenial ones, they don't have a fucking clue!)As a different minority, I’d never use the word outside of singing with fellow Spurs fans. Being welcoming to Jews and other cultures is a part of being a Spurs fan to me.
It would be like dressing our kids in long trousers and duffle coats to stop Paedophillia!If we stopped using the term, it would not stop rival fans being antisemitic, let's get that right, I wonder if it will make the abusers look worse, we stopped using the word and surprise surprise, they're still racist.