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The Police are only interested if you insult someone on social media. Accidentally refer to someone as the wrong gender on Twitter and it is a hate crime and will be investigated. Call someone a dirty Jew in front of the OB and they look the other way.My son (27) was pissed off with the lack of response from the police who seemed to find someone being racially abused very amusing.
My sole definition of yid is a Tottenham Hotspur fc supporter and is a term I will continue to use with great pride, despite being born in Edgware, growing up in Golders Green and going to schools in Hendon and Finchley as well being a spurur a s fan I am not Jewish but I am 100% yid
I was not claiming that Yid had never been used positively before. My point was that it doesn’t matter. Word meanings change and the word is pejorative now. Its meaning now is all that matters.To quote Billy Joel:
We didn't start the fire!!
Just 'cos there's no 1890's footage on Instatwat of any Yiddeshe speakers using the word in a polite form, doesn't mean it didn't happen!!
Then start with the actual racists at Chelsea and West Ham.This is why the questionnaire was sent out. It's better not to be on the defensive and be prepared as a Club.
We are going to get some heat, AGAIN. The Club is preparing for that. It's also better to be seen as being proactive rather than reactive.Then start with the actual racists at Chelsea and West Ham.
I'm not trying to simplify a complex debate, which this is, but the context in which this always comes up is due to OTHER clubs being racist, then the finger is inevitably pointed at Spurs supporters as the chants are equivalent to hissing, gas chamber chants and the like.
This is a nuanced topic with nearly 90 years of associated history. Treat it as such.
I'll never stop using the term.
Don't care who it offends.
What I don't get is why I can't take ownership of the word? I guarantee I, and most of you, have been called Yid in a derogatory manner by oppo more times than most Jews have by someone on the street or online.
They need to understand the word is not theirs alone to claim.
We will use it as long as its thrown against us. When they stop, we'll consider it. Until then, get fucked. The onus is not on us the victims.
I always thought the word "Yid" simply meant "Jew" in Yiddish. The oldest newspaper for orthodox Jews, which has been going for 69 years out of New York, is "Der Yid" which I understood to mean "The Jew".How many fucking times?? Its not complicated... The word YID means/MEANT 'Friend/mate' in Yiddish... ask any Jew you like! (Not the Millenial ones, they don't have a fucking clue!)...
Agreed, and by way of example, a personal experience. I was coming back from a match at the Lane some years back on the train into Liverpool Street. I'd been to the pub before, so things had thinned out from the normal crush. Anyhow, a few stops down the line a group of orthodox blokes got on, obviously nothing to do with the match, and as the train was pulling out of the station, a group of Spurs lads stood next to me all start pointing at them and going "Yiddo! Yiddo!", kept it up for about 20 seconds. The group of Jewish blokes were clearly very uncomfortable and visibly huddled together and looked at the floor until the train reached the next station where they got out and presumably changed carriage (or got off there, whatever). The context of the match was obviously a whole load different from a "normal" train carriage an hour later, but this was clearly lost on the numbskulls doing the chanting.When did the definition of the word CONTEXT suddenly fall out of the collective unconsciousness of society?
It's FUCKING context people!
If that's the case, then I assume in years to come, when people fall ill, they won't be able to say they are "sick" because, as we all know, 'sick' means 'good' nowadays, as ALL the kids are using it in that way...I was not claiming that Yid had never been used positively before. My point was that it doesn’t matter. Word meanings change and the word is pejorative now. Its meaning now is all that matters.
I also appreciate the idea of reclaiming a word. But there also comes a time when it is time to just put a word to bed altogether. You see this in the African American community where the N word was reclaimed to a degree but many people now think it shouldn’t be used, even by black people.
Spurs supporters are overwhelmingly not Jewish. And being Jewish is not a very visible trait, as compared to being black for instance. If we stop making such a big deal about being a Jewish club, so will Chelsea and West Ham fans. There may always be a knucklehead or two who make gas hissing noises, but that doesn’t mean we have to up the ante by being combative about it. Shaming them is a more powerful force than fighting them (with words). Most West Ham and Chelsea fans don’t want to see their fellow fans make hissing noises and painting all of them as antisemetic.
It was just a way of pointing out that just by NOT using the Y word, someone can still cause offence... anf having been called both, I can honestly say I found the bout nosed Jew comments more offensive than being called a Yid.Not sure why you are going on and on about “big nosed dirty Jew.” Nobody at our stadium is yelling “big nosed dirty Jew army,” now are they? If they did, I’d say it was equally misguided.