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Said it a few times, but you watch Wolves, Fulham and Villa and FFP next year ( and this ) Wolves especially are a mini Man City

I think it’s a bit like drug laws now, too many people are at it so now impossible to police

I think you are right but it is very disappointing to see the rules not respected. In Italy they say "secret of Pulcinella" something that officially is secret but that everyone actually knows.

In this way we will see a team that buy who they want without following FFF and teams that have to sell below the market price because otherwise they will be prosecuted for the FFF rules.

The difference with the drug world? A fundamental: we don’t pay to see the direct exchange pusher / consumer and do not cheer for that pusher or for that toxic ...
:)
 
Rome sold "out of necessity" to avoid sanctions. If he could have waited he would not have sold Salah to € 50 million, maybe he was € 100 million. Coutinho was sold for € 160 million. In my opinion, the transfer market is false

Salah was sold before Neymar. He would have cost more post-Neymar. Most people though Liverpool overpaid for Salah then. In retrospect they didn’t, but Salah didn’t seem cheap at that time.
 
Salah was sold before Neymar. He would have cost more post-Neymar. Most people though Liverpool overpaid for Salah then. In retrospect they didn’t, but Salah didn’t seem cheap at that time.
It's true. I hate football As Roma but for the FFF had to sell by 30 June 2017. In the market if you have to sell you can not manage the price too much.
 
Today in the Gazzetta dello sport statistics on the clubs that have spent more in the last 10 years: Manchester City and PSG...ahead

Mercato, chi ha speso di più negli ultimi dieci anni? City e Psg, flop miliardari



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Market, who has spent more in the last ten years? City and Psg, billionaires flop
In the decade the clubs of Manchester, Barça, Real, Psg and Chelsea have spent 20% of the turnover of the world market. A resounding flop for the Citizens and the Parisians, a bittersweet budget for Barça. Real has spent less but has won more in Europe. And immediately behind Juve.

The richness of the world transfer market in the last ten years has been concentrated in the hands of six clubs. Manchester City, Barcelona, Paris Saint Germain, Chelsea, Manchester United and Real Madrid (in order of spending) in the recent decade have invested in the market operations 7 billion and twenty million, a figure of just over 20% of the volume d world market business (estimated at around 35 billion euros, the calculations are naturally approximate). At the wheel of the six giants follow Liverpool and Juventus: the budget of the Reds talks about 930 million spent, that of the bianconeri of 920 million, but the Agnelli club has consistently counterbalanced the outputs with excellent revenues derived from also excellent sales. Behind them opens the chasm, with a club patrol (including the Italians Inter, Milan and Rome) much but much more behind: estimated spending budget within a range between 600 and 700 million in the decade. First consideration: the imbalance jumps to the eye, even if clubs like Inter and Atletico Madrid remain light years away from the expense of the first class. That now, when it comes to the market, they run for themselves.

THE TOYS OF THE SHEIKS - There is then a second obligatory reflection. A question mark as big as a house: spending more offers the certainty of winning? Schools of thought are conflicting, we could discuss them for hours. We remain however to the data, to the facts. And let's take, for example, the two most sensational cases. The first is that of Manchester City. In the last ten years, the Citiziens have been the toy of Sheikh Mansur, who has poured in sensational investments and never seen until today in the history of football. Only for the transfer market, we are talking about an expenditure of 1584 million euros in ten years, with the record set in the current season by the requests of Guardiola cost 317.5 million. Results? Poverissimi: the bulletin board of the English has welcomed two Premier, several national cups, but several reserved spaces have remained empty. Above all, in Europe there was an unprecedented flop. The second case-school is that of Paris Saint Germain. Here too we meet the desires of the sheikh, Nasser Ghanim Al-Khelaif in this case, who spends without worrying about winning. True: the PSG is back to winning in Ligue1, but the 5 titles in 10 years of France can justify 1150 million spending? Against the cosmic zero in Europe.


SPANISH, CATALAN, ENGLISH - In the ranking of those who spent the most there could not be Barcelona and Real Madrid. But with distinctions. The planning of Florentino Perez has produced for Real galactics the best yield between costs and results: they are, in fact, the last of the class among the six biggest spenders (977 million invested in the market), but in Europe they are the ones that have collected more with 3 Champions (less at home: 2 Liga loot) and have the way paved towards the Kiev final in May. Moving from Madrid to Catalonia, there is a Barcelona before and after the sunset of the generation of the Xavi, Iniesta, Mascherano and company. In the last two years, in fact, in Barcelona they have resumed spending above their standards to compensate for the sudden constipation of Cantera, which struggles to churn out new champions of absolute level, and to rebuild a winning technical project in Europe. After the indigestion of titles of Liga made (8 times out of 10) and the 3 Champions (the last one however arrived in 2015). The circle closes with two other Englishmen: Chelsea with its 1137 million invested and Manchester United with 1018 million. Do you invest well with your hand? He won very little Manchester United, with his three times in Premier and a Europa League. Better, but not so much the Blues: 3 Premier, a Europa League and a Champions. As much as they spent ...
Mario Pagliara
 
Today in the Gazzetta dello sport statistics on the clubs that have spent more in the last 10 years: Manchester City and PSG...ahead

Mercato, chi ha speso di più negli ultimi dieci anni? City e Psg, flop miliardari



2-ke7G-U2609754935830tD-350x467@Gazzetta-Web_zoom.jpg


Market, who has spent more in the last ten years? City and Psg, billionaires flop
In the decade the clubs of Manchester, Barça, Real, Psg and Chelsea have spent 20% of the turnover of the world market. A resounding flop for the Citizens and the Parisians, a bittersweet budget for Barça. Real has spent less but has won more in Europe. And immediately behind Juve.

The richness of the world transfer market in the last ten years has been concentrated in the hands of six clubs. Manchester City, Barcelona, Paris Saint Germain, Chelsea, Manchester United and Real Madrid (in order of spending) in the recent decade have invested in the market operations 7 billion and twenty million, a figure of just over 20% of the volume d world market business (estimated at around 35 billion euros, the calculations are naturally approximate). At the wheel of the six giants follow Liverpool and Juventus: the budget of the Reds talks about 930 million spent, that of the bianconeri of 920 million, but the Agnelli club has consistently counterbalanced the outputs with excellent revenues derived from also excellent sales. Behind them opens the chasm, with a club patrol (including the Italians Inter, Milan and Rome) much but much more behind: estimated spending budget within a range between 600 and 700 million in the decade. First consideration: the imbalance jumps to the eye, even if clubs like Inter and Atletico Madrid remain light years away from the expense of the first class. That now, when it comes to the market, they run for themselves.

THE TOYS OF THE SHEIKS - There is then a second obligatory reflection. A question mark as big as a house: spending more offers the certainty of winning? Schools of thought are conflicting, we could discuss them for hours. We remain however to the data, to the facts. And let's take, for example, the two most sensational cases. The first is that of Manchester City. In the last ten years, the Citiziens have been the toy of Sheikh Mansur, who has poured in sensational investments and never seen until today in the history of football. Only for the transfer market, we are talking about an expenditure of 1584 million euros in ten years, with the record set in the current season by the requests of Guardiola cost 317.5 million. Results? Poverissimi: the bulletin board of the English has welcomed two Premier, several national cups, but several reserved spaces have remained empty. Above all, in Europe there was an unprecedented flop. The second case-school is that of Paris Saint Germain. Here too we meet the desires of the sheikh, Nasser Ghanim Al-Khelaif in this case, who spends without worrying about winning. True: the PSG is back to winning in Ligue1, but the 5 titles in 10 years of France can justify 1150 million spending? Against the cosmic zero in Europe.


SPANISH, CATALAN, ENGLISH - In the ranking of those who spent the most there could not be Barcelona and Real Madrid. But with distinctions. The planning of Florentino Perez has produced for Real galactics the best yield between costs and results: they are, in fact, the last of the class among the six biggest spenders (977 million invested in the market), but in Europe they are the ones that have collected more with 3 Champions (less at home: 2 Liga loot) and have the way paved towards the Kiev final in May. Moving from Madrid to Catalonia, there is a Barcelona before and after the sunset of the generation of the Xavi, Iniesta, Mascherano and company. In the last two years, in fact, in Barcelona they have resumed spending above their standards to compensate for the sudden constipation of Cantera, which struggles to churn out new champions of absolute level, and to rebuild a winning technical project in Europe. After the indigestion of titles of Liga made (8 times out of 10) and the 3 Champions (the last one however arrived in 2015). The circle closes with two other Englishmen: Chelsea with its 1137 million invested and Manchester United with 1018 million. Do you invest well with your hand? He won very little Manchester United, with his three times in Premier and a Europa League. Better, but not so much the Blues: 3 Premier, a Europa League and a Champions. As much as they spent ...
Mario Pagliara

Money does not buy happiness. :)
Manchester City could buy two teams, the PSG as well. What a waste...

PS And Guardiola I think is the best coach but without Messi and tough. Ask Zidane who has Cristiano Ronaldo ...
 
It's intrinsically difficult to create a financial fair play system in a free market ... once you remove the option of individual salary restrictions (these are impossible to impose under European law, not to mention you would need about 20 football federations to agree them) then you are left with FFP a system that limits expenditure against income, or the CCM cost control measure, a system in the EPL that limits year on year increases ...

The problem with both these systems is they are inherently always going to favour the richer clubs ... FFP allows you to spend a % of your income ... so Utd with 600m can spend seven times what B'mouth with 88m income can spend ... the same applies with CCM but in a different way, CCM allows for a 7m increase in salary 18/19 for all clubs, however clubs can also use any increase in match-day or marketing income to increase salaries over and above the 7m ... that's significant when you consider that Utd have a 123m more marketing income than any other EPL club ...

Even if you tried to apply an NFL type 'hard cap' to every tier one club in the world how would that work? would all players be paid in the same currency or would exchange rates need to be applied monthly? would all clubs have to apply the same rate of income tax? would all clubs have to have identical bonus structure?

Even if theoretically these problems could be overcome, in reality when football federations can't even agree on a standard pitch size, a world wide wages structure won't happen ...

Nor can an individual league 'go it alone' ... if the most powerful league in the world the EPL decided to cap wages at 200k a week within 24 hours all the best players would be looking to move to France / Spain / Germany for 250k a week ... so the EPL have gone as far as they can with CCM but left it with a gaping 'loop-hole' for the big clubs ...

The big clubs will always benefit they have the most income so why can't they spend the most ... they've always had an advantage and they're not going to give that away, until someone far cleverer than FIFA or UEFA comes up with a waterproof worldwide system, then this will remain the status quo ...
 
If they want to make FFP a real deterrent for clubs they need to rework the fines for breaking it. No more negotiable fines but rather they should look towards how it works with breaking GDPR. Break GDPR and you pay a set % of your current earnings in fines (4% of your current worldwide earnings in fines, or a maximum 20 million euros).
 
There are two facets to FFP (well many facets, but they can be broken into two main facets in terms of what everyone talks about). A bug chunk of FFP regulation is very admirable, aimed at creating better run football clubs, transparency of accounting, sustainable fiscal management, better regulation of all aspects of financial management (transfer payments, player payments etc etc).

The piece of FFP that everyone gets hot under the collar about though is the spending power of a couple of clubs that have emerged as rich in the last decade or so.

But this section of the FFP legislation was never about being "Fair", it was cobbled together to appease the ECA (formerly G14 - group of football's uber clubs) who were desperately trying to preserve the hegemony they'd built up over decades, which was now under threat. They used implied threats like the possibility of a breakaway "European Super League" to ransom UEFA into doing something about the "new money" clubs that threatened their gravy train.

This sector of FFP is just pernicious bullshit. The whole point of FFP was to try and protect the institutions of football club from poor fiscal management, but there is much less risk to someone like City having owners prepared to invest their huge resources in them, than there is to ManU being massively debt leveraged against the club itself by the Glazers.

Who cares if the owners also want to sink shitloads of their own money into "sponsorship" as well? That money is not a loan, it is not placing the cubs in fiscal danger.

The fact is, the likes of Juve, Bayern, Real, Barca and ManU knew that the biggest threat to their ability to press home the advantage they'd had for decades and continue to print money year on year was by oligarch owners with their new money clubs, and set about making sure a these "new money" clubs had their hands tied.

The F’s of FFP



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There are two facets to FFP (well many facets, but they can be broken into two main facets in terms of what everyone talks about). A bug chunk of FFP regulation is very admirable, aimed at creating better run football clubs, transparency of accounting, sustainable fiscal management, better regulation of all aspects of financial management (transfer payments, player payments etc etc).

The piece of FFP that everyone gets hot under the collar about though is the spending power of a couple of clubs that have emerged as rich in the last decade or so.

But this section of the FFP legislation was never about being "Fair", it was cobbled together to appease the ECA (formerly G14 - group of football's uber clubs) who were desperately trying to preserve the hegemony they'd built up over decades, which was now under threat. They used implied threats like the possibility of a breakaway "European Super League" to ransom UEFA into doing something about the "new money" clubs that threatened their gravy train.

This sector of FFP is just pernicious bullshit. The whole point of FFP was to try and protect the institutions of football club from poor fiscal management, but there is much less risk to someone like City having owners prepared to invest their huge resources in them, than there is to ManU being massively debt leveraged against the club itself by the Glazers.

Who cares if the owners also want to sink shitloads of their own money into "sponsorship" as well? That money is not a loan, it is not placing the cubs in fiscal danger.

The fact is, the likes of Juve, Bayern, Real, Barca and ManU knew that the biggest threat to their ability to press home the advantage they'd had for decades and continue to print money year on year was by oligarch owners with their new money clubs, and set about making sure a these "new money" clubs had their hands tied.

The F’s of FFP



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Many oligarchs / emirs are not interested in football: they only want popularity for external projects to make money (them
 
According to the papers, Paris Saint-Germain would have received 1.8 billion euros from the Qatari government in irregular form. An injection of money that would violate the rules of financial fair play. If the cards were to be truthful, the PSG would be expelled from European competitions. The UEFA would have been aware of the violations committed in 2012. An agreement which would later have allowed the French club to reduce the fine of 60 million euros shared with Manchester City. Also in 2017 the PSG would have been pinched again in violating the financial fair play, but the investigation would have been closed in June without consequences.
 
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