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Having a vision is the easy bit.

Even incompetent people can have that.

Scolar couldn't run a bath.

Got lucky with Property speculaiton, thought he knew it all

Couldn't even build East Stand to budget

Had to sell Waddle to pay for it.

In the meantime EVERY bit of non-footie diversification lost money. Every one.

That takes a certain amount of genius.

He also ripped out the old Shelf.
Could be wrong but I think Le Coq Sportif still sell some of our gear in their Collector Series.

… it’s wrong by the look of it, the retro stuff from that time doesn’t seem to have the le coq sportif logo, so it must be produced by some other company now.
 
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Definitely using Usmanovs money, the minute Putin invaded Ukraine it was all up for us. In hindsight i wish they had stayed at Woolwich but they saw them as the gangsters they are.
Kenwright on the other hand could not believe these people would come along pump money in and let him keep control of his trainset.
Loads of Woolwich fans were screaming to let usimnov in so they could operate in the Chelsea model.
 
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Definitely using Usmanovs money, the minute Putin invaded Ukraine it was all up for us. In hindsight i wish they had stayed at Woolwich but they saw them as the gangsters they are.
Kenwright on the other hand could not believe these people would come along pump money in and let him keep control of his trainset.

I know Kenwright has passed so obviously don’t want to speak ill of the dead. However from the outside it looked like Everton spent a lot of money, but a lot of money on mediocrity, Iwobi for £40m summing up the shambles. An ok player but someone you get for £5-10m as a backup.

I wonder if your scouts were not good or simply Kenwright and the board just did what they want and bought rubbish for good money. At its core this is why you are where you are.

On this forum whenever we had a player like Siggy who was a bit passed it or not quite good enough, there was always the hope Everton would come in and pay good money for our deadwood. The reputation was Everton will buy your deadwood from you.
 
I don't have any sympathy for Everton, they consistently tried to cut corners and fast track their way up the league purely by signing players (and mostly digging Utd and Scum out of a hole in the process).
 
I don't have any sympathy for Everton, they consistently tried to cut corners and fast track their way up the league purely by signing players (and mostly digging Utd and Scum out of a hole in the process).

Yeh but it’s not the fans fault. Most of their fans where against their ownership and saw them as crap.

But rules are rules and everyone signs upto them, their ownership let their fans down.
 
From the Athletic. If the sale to 777 doesnt go through they'll probably go into administration.....which is an automatic 9 point penalty! Got a feeling they are proper fucked.


The Premier League is still “weeks” away from making a decision on whether to approve 777 Partners’ proposed takeover of Everton, the league’s chief executive Richard Masters has admitted.

Masters was appearing before members of parliament on the Culture, Media and Sport select committee in Westminster on Tuesday, when he was asked by the committee’s chair, Dame Caroline Dinenage, for an update on the takeover.

The league boss said a decision would be announced “as soon as we have completed the process”, before adding “unfortunately, some processes take a matter of weeks; some, if we haven’t had satisfactory answers to the questions we have asked, it takes a lot longer”.

Dinenage responded by asking: “How long will this one take?”

“It has already been running for a number of weeks, so it’s going to take longer,” replied Masters.

Dinenage asked, “How much longer?”, to which Masters said he did not know, as “it is a very difficult question to answer”.

“Weeks, days, months, years?” Dinenage pressed.

“Hopefully, weeks,” said Masters.

Everton’s current owner Farhad Moshiri first announced he had agreed to sell his 94.1 per cent stake in the club to 777, a Miami-based private investment firm, on September 15.

That announcement said the deal should be completed by the end of the 2023, with club sources and 777 privately telling reporters the process should take 10 to 12 weeks.
That was 18 weeks ago. Since then, the club has been docked 10 points for breaching the league’s spending rules in the four-year period to the summer of 2022 and then charged for a second breach of the same rules for the four-year period to last summer.

That has left Everton, who have been members of English football’s top flight since 1954, one point and one place above the drop zone.

Meanwhile, 777 has lent Everton £142million ($180m) to pay their monthly bills and finance the completion of the club’s new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

However, 777 has also been the subject of numerous media reports, on both sides of the Atlantic, about late payments, legal disputes and regulatory investigations.

In the last week alone, The Athletic has revealed that 777 is being sued for $30million in London by three Irish aircraft leasing companies and a similar amount in New York by an American mortgage company.

There have also been problems at the football clubs 777 already owns elsewhere, with their Italian side Genoa late with another tax payment last month and Belgian team Standard Liege in trouble for not paying wages and fees on time. 777 has said these issues were relatively minor and have already been resolved, but they will have been noted by the Premier League.

And the stakes could not be higher for 777, Everton or the Premier League.

If 777 is not approved by the league, it will find itself in the difficult position of having lent an already heavily-indebted club a huge sum of money with little or no security, and rejection in England will almost certainly lead to serious questions about its ability to fund the seven other clubs in which it already owns stakes.

777, to be clear, has repeatedly said that it expects to be approved by the Premier League, just as it has by several other leagues and federations.

For Everton, the consequences are obvious. Moshiri, who has pumped more than £750m into the club since arriving at Goodison Park in 2016, is no longer able to fund them and has been trying to sell the club for over a year. It is becoming increasingly difficult to see how any other buyer would take Everton on now, unless the club’s creditors all agreed to “take haircuts” on the money they are owed. If done via a period in administration, Everton would be hit with an automatic nine-point penalty.

And the Premier League knows that its vetting of 777 is taking place with the spectre of an independent regulator for football looking over its shoulder. Get this wrong and that regulator will almost certainly take a firmer grip on club takeovers than it might if the league can demonstrate its ability to run these processes competently.
 
From the Athletic. If the sale to 777 doesnt go through they'll probably go into administration.....which is an automatic 9 point penalty! Got a feeling they are proper fucked.


The Premier League is still “weeks” away from making a decision on whether to approve 777 Partners’ proposed takeover of Everton, the league’s chief executive Richard Masters has admitted.

Masters was appearing before members of parliament on the Culture, Media and Sport select committee in Westminster on Tuesday, when he was asked by the committee’s chair, Dame Caroline Dinenage, for an update on the takeover.

The league boss said a decision would be announced “as soon as we have completed the process”, before adding “unfortunately, some processes take a matter of weeks; some, if we haven’t had satisfactory answers to the questions we have asked, it takes a lot longer”.

Dinenage responded by asking: “How long will this one take?”

“It has already been running for a number of weeks, so it’s going to take longer,” replied Masters.

Dinenage asked, “How much longer?”, to which Masters said he did not know, as “it is a very difficult question to answer”.

“Weeks, days, months, years?” Dinenage pressed.

“Hopefully, weeks,” said Masters.

Everton’s current owner Farhad Moshiri first announced he had agreed to sell his 94.1 per cent stake in the club to 777, a Miami-based private investment firm, on September 15.

That announcement said the deal should be completed by the end of the 2023, with club sources and 777 privately telling reporters the process should take 10 to 12 weeks.
That was 18 weeks ago. Since then, the club has been docked 10 points for breaching the league’s spending rules in the four-year period to the summer of 2022 and then charged for a second breach of the same rules for the four-year period to last summer.

That has left Everton, who have been members of English football’s top flight since 1954, one point and one place above the drop zone.

Meanwhile, 777 has lent Everton £142million ($180m) to pay their monthly bills and finance the completion of the club’s new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

However, 777 has also been the subject of numerous media reports, on both sides of the Atlantic, about late payments, legal disputes and regulatory investigations.

In the last week alone, The Athletic has revealed that 777 is being sued for $30million in London by three Irish aircraft leasing companies and a similar amount in New York by an American mortgage company.

There have also been problems at the football clubs 777 already owns elsewhere, with their Italian side Genoa late with another tax payment last month and Belgian team Standard Liege in trouble for not paying wages and fees on time. 777 has said these issues were relatively minor and have already been resolved, but they will have been noted by the Premier League.

And the stakes could not be higher for 777, Everton or the Premier League.

If 777 is not approved by the league, it will find itself in the difficult position of having lent an already heavily-indebted club a huge sum of money with little or no security, and rejection in England will almost certainly lead to serious questions about its ability to fund the seven other clubs in which it already owns stakes.

777, to be clear, has repeatedly said that it expects to be approved by the Premier League, just as it has by several other leagues and federations.

For Everton, the consequences are obvious. Moshiri, who has pumped more than £750m into the club since arriving at Goodison Park in 2016, is no longer able to fund them and has been trying to sell the club for over a year. It is becoming increasingly difficult to see how any other buyer would take Everton on now, unless the club’s creditors all agreed to “take haircuts” on the money they are owed. If done via a period in administration, Everton would be hit with an automatic nine-point penalty.

And the Premier League knows that its vetting of 777 is taking place with the spectre of an independent regulator for football looking over its shoulder. Get this wrong and that regulator will almost certainly take a firmer grip on club takeovers than it might if the league can demonstrate its ability to run these processes competently.
But yet again this is crazy because these clowns at 777 should never have been considered as viable owners by the league in the first place! I mean I'm the one that jokes Thanos is the only character that would fail the fit and proper owners test, but this is ridiculous.
 
I'm more confident than ever that Chavs & Citeh will get what's coming.

Because by the time it reaches them, there will already have been a precedent set.

I'm not...... The bubbling noise this week has been that the FFP rules need to be updated...... If anything (so long as they delay long enough) the slimey cunts will probably benefit from whatever softer rules come into play.
 
I know Kenwright has passed so obviously don’t want to speak ill of the dead. However from the outside it looked like Everton spent a lot of money, but a lot of money on mediocrity, Iwobi for £40m summing up the shambles. An ok player but someone you get for £5-10m as a backup.

I wonder if your scouts were not good or simply Kenwright and the board just did what they want and bought rubbish for good money. At its core this is why you are where you are.

On this forum whenever we had a player like Siggy who was a bit passed it or not quite good enough, there was always the hope Everton would come in and pay good money for our deadwood. The reputation was Everton will buy your deadwood from you.
Sigurdsson is still our record signing when we bought him from Swansea in 2018 for 45m .For all the money we wasted I dont remember being excited about buying any of them.
 
I understand that we were hit for a ten point deduction for the first offence covering the seasons 19/20,20/21 and 21/22.
Sure the fans are angry they have every right to be none of this is the fans fault , the fault lies with Fahad Moshiri and Bill Kenwright none of who are still around to take the flack.Moshiri has scarpered and just wants shut of the club while Kenwright has passed away.
Our argument is the latest charge relates to seasons 20/21,21/22 and season 22/23,so basically 2 out of 3 years are as per the previous charge with the last season added.How can we be charged twice for the same crime?
Season 22/23 we spent 67 million on transfer with 90 million coming in so 23 million in profit what more could we have done.
I realise most other supporters will just be laughing at us and hope we go down but if that happens so be it I have been going to Goodison for 60 years so I am not going to stop now what ever division we are in.

It is harsh, but....

You'd could have spent 0 on transfers.

This...... The rules have not been sprung on you.... You spent 67m; it was the duty of someone at the club to know that doing so would have left you remaining in breach of the FFP.

.........And the hard truth is that the first punishment should have been levied last year - Which would have seen you relegated.
 
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Every club was aware of the rules, 3 years rolling etc, and it appears that Everton chose to ignore the consequences in each of the third rolling year, where in theory they could have made good the issue in each of those years. But they didn't.

The punishment is another story, fair or otherwise, as is the Man City case (and Chelsea, too), and they will hopefully get whatever is due to them in time. But if you know the rules, and you choose to play fast and loose with them, even with an amber light from the PL, I'm not sure what the issue is here.

Admittedly, there does need to be better real-time governance in place - to put a stop on any club going over the threshold by embargoing any transfer / financial transaction that would take the club from going over the limit at that moment. But then if that happened / happens, the clubs will complain about being told what to do. Clubs will always take as much as they can, which at the moment is their prerogative. However, they need to be grown up enough to be told they are wrong, when necessary.

Let's not forget that:

1. The clubs voted in favour as part of the process of bringing the FFP rules in.
2. Chavs and City face different charges to the one's levied against Everton & co.
 
There’s no way the PL can let them take over Everton. They don’t sound like they have the financial ability to run a PL club. Trouble is they’ve loaned Everton a load of money for the stadium. If those debts are called in, what do Everton do? Where do they get the money for that? The FFP is a mess but this ownership situation is a bigger one waiting to explode.

The fit and proper owners thing is a f'kn joke.... Look at what's currently happening to Reading..... That owner had failed numerous F.A.P.O. tests when trying to buy other clubs (whilst the only other club they had previously owned - in China - folded despite being a 1st division club) and yet were approved to take over Reading just 8 months later.
 
Let's not forget that:

1. The clubs voted in favour as part of the process of bringing the FFP rules in.
2. Chavs and City face different charges to the one's levied against Everton & co.
Indeed, though the Chavs have yet to be charged by the PL for any PSR issues, although it seems likely they will be. They were fined by UEFA for issues between 2012 and 2019 under Abramovich, and the FA and PL are looking into issues which supposedly in the mid 2010s, and more recent potential PSR issues too, as I understand it.
 
There’s no way the PL can let them take over Everton. They don’t sound like they have the financial ability to run a PL club. Trouble is they’ve loaned Everton a load of money for the stadium. If those debts are called in, what do Everton do? Where do they get the money for that? The FFP is a mess but this ownership situation is a bigger one waiting to explode.
777 are borrowing money at a rate of 52.5%!!!!! It's hard to fathom what the fuck they are doing.

If I were an Everton fan I'd take a 20-point deduction in a heartbeat than have 777 partners be anywhere near the club.
 
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