I posed a question, fail to see how that is stonewalling your discussion...even though the point you made was very one dimensional
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I posed a question, fail to see how that is stonewalling your discussion...even though the point you made was very one dimensional
I know you only jest but your reaction is far beyond how far I have thought about it. Who has said that Black player = non English? it was a simple question not a racial motivated statement.
I think it depends on the individual and the circumstances of the upbringing.
You can get someone that was born elsewhere ,came here at a young age yet feels totally English/British.I have a friend who was born in the Ukraine, you couldn't meet a more cockney English bloke.I also have mates who are London born yet see themselves as 100% Irish.I get that . Though anything further down the line than that and it gets a bit silly IMHO.
I could (if I was good and young enough) play for ,as well as England, the Rep of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
England first and foremost with me(by a country mile) ,Northern Ireland,yes,but I would feel like a bloke invited to a party only because his mate was popular, but I would feel uncomfortable playing for the republic. No offence intended to anyone ,just wouldn't seem right.
Luckily for all involved I am 48 and play like football like I sing...
You can get someone that was born elsewhere ,came here at a young age yet feels totally English/British.I have a friend who was born in the Ukraine, you couldn't meet a more cockney English bloke.I also have mates who are London born yet see themselves as 100% Irish.I get that . Though anything further down the line than that and it gets a bit silly IMHO.
I could (if I was good and young enough) play for ,as well as England, the Rep of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
England first and foremost with me(by a country mile) ,Northern Ireland,yes,but I would feel like a bloke invited to a party only because his mate was popular, but I would feel uncomfortable playing for the republic. No offence intended to anyone ,just wouldn't seem right.
Luckily for all involved I am 48 and play like football like I sing...
At least he has a good sense of humour
"I hope Puma doesn't make condoms"
Xherdan Shaqiri's response to Switzerland's ripped Puma shirts is BRILLIANT
Jamaican athletes running under the USA flag. They couldn't wait until they could finance themselves and run under their own flag not USA which the system dictated to them.
"Can..Raheem Sterling, really be passionate to play for England when he is Jamaica born. I do not believe you can be. It must be difficult to stand there and sing the national anthem of another country?
Lallana is another, Spanish decent-you must play for your blood father/fathers.
Vardy is another, a Gipsy I believe."
I'll give a benefit of the doubt here as you were saying he (Sterling) was born in Jamaica. But take your comment on Vardy who was born in Britain (I have no idea whether he's a gypsy or how far back his family is British), it's implicit he can't really have a feeling of "Englishness" to him then. Now substitute Vardy with any black player and see why what you said implies the otherness and un-Englishness.
Now if it was a question than the answer would be an obvious No, but the way the question was raised had a very nasty tone to it.
This is exactly the cliche reply that any post gets that are away from the centre .
A simple question, posters who are unable to see the wider picture , attack and ridicule. I am happy with people disagreeing , I expected it and accept it.
Or through Marriage.
Though I think if you have lived somewhere since childhood,its the same as a blood connection in a lot of cases
Blood and birth then ?
But in that case Sterling isnt allowed to play for England ? Or is one of his parents English ?
Either way i dont mind, if you are eligble to play for a country then that's fine by me.
Pretty much. The living there was more like when people wanted the likes of Arteta being called up to the England squad etc..
I just think you're a bit mad at this point
You are probably right.
I remember
Roy Wegerle playing for the USA because his Wife was American was wrong in my book as well.
99-0 win tonight for England and for their to be nationwide patriotism that not even Americans can match 
Lol, come off it. You used to rib me about Nigeria. Anyway whatever. Agree with what you're saying.
Mr S Pippo sorry you felt attacked. It's just talking shit on a messageboard after all. I agree with you that society should not be so sensitive to comments - although there's w limit to that. But actually you said players born in a different country, or with parents from a different country, cannot feel patriotism for England. You got people disagreeing with you, not calling for you to be shot