Bad luck, bad management or bad juju?

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. It didn't look good having Kane run around for the last twenty minutes when the game was over versus Everton. Bringing him on against Tranmere defied belief.

A lot of stems from last summer!

And yet Kane's injury has nothing to do with being overplayed and everything to do with him being clattered by an opponent.
 


Apparently this is up from 15.5 season average since 2012/13. Now 37 by Jan 25 is a large spike and it could be argued that the lack of investment in the Summer is to blame. Now I don’t want to turn this into a Sammy v John cunt off where one denounces signings and the other blames Levy but I’d love to hear what others think.

Now whilst I think it’s fair to argue that because of the lack of preseason, rest and recuperation for some of our squad because of the WC that it’s had an effect on fatigue and injuries, but can we really attribute it to not signing players? It may have had some impact but enough to see it spike to what could be 50+ injuries by May? I just can’t see how 2-3 signings could have prevented that entirely. Maybe it could have reduced it a bit but not totally.

Mousa who sat on Belgium’s bench a lot has hindered CM rotations, as has not having Big Vic, and neither exerted themselves too much in the summer, so not purely down to the WC either imo.

Now, the one thing I will say is that I’m proud of the lads so far. To reach a SF, CL knockouts and sit comfortably inside the top 4 whilst seeing players regularly checking into the hospital ward is bloody admirable imo, it’s a testament to the coaching of Mauricio, and the hard steely resolve he’s instilled in the squad. A testament to the players for never giving in and always fighting on.

Usually losing to that filth annoys the utter shit out of me for days, but last night I was proud of their resolve and refusal to give in.

Truly laughable that social media/forum/pundit flogs throw up the bottled it argument and question Pochettino’s credentials after that game.

We could have done with a signing or two in the summer, even if just depth, but it being the root of our woes, and Levy being public enemy no.1 is a tad unfair, something else is clearly at play that has seen our injury attrition rate spike massively. Agree with the gaffer, this will make us stronger, hopefully a watershed moment for this group. The football gods are trying to break us but they refuse to give in.

COYS!
 
We have sod all depth to the squad.
If we had a replacement for Kane or Alli we would have gone through last night. No shots on target in the first half was shocking.

I'm afraid that Poch and Levy have to shoulder the blame, what did they expect to happen not buying any players after most of our team had been in the world cup? Seems like they were hoping for an injury free season and nobody getting tired..
 
What is your point? ...That we should have 3 LBs?


No , my point as I said in my first post on this thread, is that by the time the domestic semi finals and big knockout games in the CL come around our team always has big injury problems and fatigue problems.

We seem to operate with a core of about 15/16 players which always ends up taking it's toll.
 
Pochs grueling training methods.
I don’t see any other reason.

It’s not coincidence or bad luck, or Spursy or lack of depth.
The squad started the summer intact and despite the myth had no less rest than any other top team.

We seem to have broken the team.
Literally. This is not fatigue, it’s physical....we have trained them to SAS standards, then in games we have lost the ability/energy to press like we used to.

It’s like we have a priority in training that surpasses the standards we need in the pitch.
Something needs addressing anyway, the whole squad is becoming injury prone with players who used to walk through walls.

37 injuries is not normal, it’s insanity.

You cannot overlook the coaching here, and if you do, it’s pure denial and Poch worshipping.
Agreed - sack the cunt now
 
They were good enough to take us to penalties. At that point it’s anyone’s game. Like I said, we had Kane and Alli at our disposal in last years semi, it still didn’t win us the game. Imaginary signings that we could have made last summer wouldn’t have somehow guaranteed a win last night.

Last night went to penalties.
We lost last years FA cup semi.
2 unknown player signings couldn’t possibly GUARANTEE that we would have won last night.

You’re disagreeing with facts SpiderSpurs SpiderSpurs

:pocheyes:
 
In order:

1) Bad Luck
2) World Cup Fatigue
3) Lack of Signings
4) Training Methods
5) Rotation/Man Management/Substitutions

I think there is plenty of blame to go around - it's not just one thing. But I think Poch's training methods and man management are the lowest contributing causes.
Can we please not talk about bad luck and media bias constantly. This victim mentality is making us look like dippers
 
Pochs grueling training methods.
I don’t see any other reason.

It’s not coincidence or bad luck, or Spursy or lack of depth.
The squad started the summer intact and despite the myth had no less rest than any other top team.

We seem to have broken the team.
Literally. This is not fatigue, it’s physical....we have trained them to SAS standards, then in games we have lost the ability/energy to press like we used to.

It’s like we have a priority in training that surpasses the standards we need in the pitch.
Something needs addressing anyway, the whole squad is becoming injury prone with players who used to walk through walls.

37 injuries is not normal, it’s insanity.

You cannot overlook the coaching here, and if you do, it’s pure denial and Poch worshipping.
 
Not sack him, just hold him somewhat accountable for the most injuries any team has ever suffered in any division, in any country over a season, in the history of world football.

You know, as he is the manager of that team.

Or we can blame the chairman.
Makes sense.
I don’t think it’s that black and white.

I think you could be right about Poch’s exacting standards breaking them physically, we saw it in his first season as we capitulated by March.
I think Levy helping the team by buying a player or two could have helped also, but at the same time injuries like Kane has endured can’t be prepared for.

Maybe the club could have pushed harder with the KFA that if we release him for the military avoidance games and they win then Son completely sits out the Asian cup. But what’s done is done.

I do like that mentally they’ve not cracked or broken. They’ve still got that hard edge the gaffer has instilled.
 
The reason is that we have loads of players (Dembele, Wanyama, Rose) with repeated / cronic injury issues. We have a big / good enough squad to manage the season....but not with some players that never play

Added to that we have others the manager doesn't want (Janssen, Nkoudou, Llorente).
 
not really black and white is it? Some injuries are due the the following:

1. fatigue
2. bad challenges
3. a twist or unlucky movement on the pitch or in training

It's also common for a player coming back from injury to pick-up another small strain that sets them back another 2-3 weeks. How often have we heard "That's a blow, they've only just come back from injury"? It happens to lots of teams.

We play a faster, tighter game than we have in the past which might lead to injuries in category 2-3. We know our fitness has seen us grab victory from the jaws of defeat many times, it's what has given us a backbone. The upshot of this is fatigue which can lead to muscle strains late on in a game/season. In truth only a bigger squad and rotation will reduce this. Obviously some players are more prone to fatigue than others.
 
Are you friends with Rio Ferdinand lol.


The two are not remotely the same. Owning a club is not like owning a normal business. Lewis is equally the best thing and worst thing to happen to Spurs. Yes we have improved immensely but we are still Spursy. Only way we will lose that is to spend and be brave. I’d rather have 5 years of complete madness and over spending to win the league like Blackburn did than another 20 years of a maybe club.
And where are Blackburn now?
 
Are you friends with Rio Ferdinand lol.


The two are not remotely the same. Owning a club is not like owning a normal business. Lewis is equally the best thing and worst thing to happen to Spurs. Yes we have improved immensely but we are still Spursy. Only way we will lose that is to spend and be brave. I’d rather have 5 years of complete madness and over spending to win the league like Blackburn did than another 20 years of a maybe club.

What a shit post... Hope you never get your wish.
 
In order:

1) Bad Luck
2) World Cup Fatigue
3) Lack of Signings
4) Training Methods
5) Rotation/Man Management/Substitutions

I think there is plenty of blame to go around - it's not just one thing. But I think Poch's training methods and man management are the lowest contributing causes.
 
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