We had Mourinho and Conte and they were mostly poor. Have you been paying attention?
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I’m not talking about individual games but as a whole season mate. At the start of the season we would all have been happy to be sitting reasonably comfortable in 5th with a possibility of 4th at this stage.
The set pieces are an issue and yes staff need to direct that but the players need to have a pride in defending. They need to do their jobs and firstly stop conceding corners and then to stop conceding goals.
I think the pride and art of defending is going out of the game more and more now.
City in the FA cup started it,
A decent DM & CF hopefully.
I totally agree with everything you said, except Perisic. Ivan got 14 assists that season, he wasn't the issue.
Oh yes, skipped my mind.
That was the first goal we directly conceded from a corner all season. 5 months after the season started.
And now it's a regular occurrence.
I'd argue they are all fouls.
White tried to undo his gloves on the first one, and pushed him on the line for the second. He's being fouled. And it's being allowed.
Interestingly it was sorted for the second half, with Sarr having none of his bollocks and Oliver finally having a word. After he'd gifted them a 3-0 lead lol.
You're just quoting league position in isolation there to claim it as a decent season though.
Being in 5th come the end of the season doesn't make those games against West Ham, Wolves, and Fulham, acceptable. If anything it makes them even more infuriating, those are winnable games, and I don't care what anyone says about how strong PL is or taking nothing for granted, the players should have been going into those games saying "we're winning this".
We could have lost those games but played really well, dominated and been genuinely unlucky, and the outlook would have been much brighter. We didn't, we were poor in all and looked bereft of ideas, there have been no green shoots to provide optimism for a good while now.
Somebody in world football could have navigated those 5 games in particular and got more than one point. I don't have to provide a name to state that the notion that nobody on the planet could have done better this season is an insane claim.
What positive result have we achieved this season that you look at and think, only Ange could have overseen this?
I like the guy, I really do, I was all aboard his train not just in the first 10 games, but the games immediately after that (Wolves aside where I felt his selection was cowardly the moment I saw it) where I thought we performed really well under difficult circumstances. But I would never have predicted in January what was about to unfold.
I'd love for him to walk the walk as well as he talks the talk, but the evidence in his favour is diminishing with each passing game.
Remember back at the beginning of the season where commentators were literally purring over some of our passages of play? Feels like a good while since I've heard anything like that.
Like I said in the Vic thread, after that City game the media made a big thing about it and now every team exploits us on it, and they know the refs let it go
I totally agree with everything you said, except Perisic. Ivan got 14 assists that season, he wasn't the issue.
No no, nothing against Perisic as a player. I liked him and it's a shame he got injured this season.
I just meant he was 34 when we signed him and we put him on close to 200k a week.
Why not try Romero as DM and play Dragusin at RCB?
Yeah he wasn't a long term solution, he was cheap as chips and a Levy special.
This summer will be very interesting for sure.
This is a bit dramatic and everyone seems to be accepting it as fact.
We were good against Forest
Good for most of the game against Palace
Great second half against Brentford
It’s just that everywhere we go there is the stench of negativity from the past just waiting to sneak into the fanbase.
Changing the culture and installing real hope into this club is an almost impossible task
Absolutely, that is true.
But would you have been happy if someone told you we'd take 1 point from Wolves (H,A), West Ham (H,A) and Fulham (A)?
It would have been deemed a good season because back then we had no idea what to expect, right now I think it's silly to say anything other than "could have done better". Aspirations have to change with circumstances, the notion that 5th place would have been a good finish is the exact kind of mentality that sees you just switch off, if the players at the point of being within touching distance of 3rd/4th came out and said well y'know 5th is better than we were expecting 8 months ago so this is fine... You'd be fuming.
When Leicester won the league they didn't reach mathematical safety and then think, oh well beach time now then lads, they re-adjusted their aim, and they kept going all season and won the bloody title.
Which on reflection thank heavens they did, else we'd have no doubt been pipped on the final day by Woolwich!