Spurs vs Leicester City - Sat 17th Sept 2022 - 5:30pm

[mummy]

As for the minutes silence sat in the north stand the noise (spurs chants) seemed to be coming from the bars under the south stand so assume those involved didn’t know the minutes silence had started and I think any booing was aimed at the fans who were singing - could be wrong but that’s how it appeared from my end

You could be right - I hadn't thought of that. I was in the upper shelf of the North Stand and immediately thought the noise was from some idiot/s intentionally disrupting the silence.
Is there anyone in the South Stand or Shelf side who was closer to it and saw what happened?

 

[Tomo]

I actually agree with the rule, the keeper having a foot placed on the line prior to the ball being struck …. I think others are less bothered judging by some of the debate that’s gone on

I’ve only seen it a couple of times, the point here is that is it actually correct ? It looks a ridiculously close shout and this then goes back to your point of applying a measure of common sense as I’m not sure loris has gained any advantage it being that marginal

To me it looks like he gained basically no advantage or at best the most tiny one. The rule was designed to stop goalies rushing off their line just like offside was designed to stop strikers goal hanging, they where meant to discourage unfair behaviour. I doubt they where made with the intent to be used like this.

If you make VaR be padantic then you have a consistency issue. Almost every corner kick has some degree of holding/shoving, technically that is a penalty if done by the defender, do we want 2-5 penalties each game. We would make very soft calls the norm because by the letter of the law that is the call.

 

[mummy]

Where was the infringement of the penalty? I have a still, dunno how to upload it but don't see why they retook the penalty.

André Mariner did VAR and he previously tried to disallow a Harry Kane goal by zooming in on VAR and excluding the ball which was in front of Kane, so he couldn't be offside even if he was last man.

Mariner was taking an age and as I said he zoomed in so viewers couldn't see the ball but on Tottenham's big screen they showed it.

Once Mariner realised Spurs had it on the big screen and fans started to BOO Mariner he zoomed out and then gave the goal.

This is the same man who made a retake of the penalty which was a dive - Sanchez starts to lunge and then pulls out - the Leicester player dives (Sky commentary do their lies to cover up). It was a very clear dive by Justine and a travesty, yet VAR Mariner did not overrule the ref on a clear and obvious error.

Same happened again when ref gave a foul on a Sanchez goal, and also a penalty on Sanchez with full contact on him in Leicester's box. Sky did not show one replay of it and basically ignored it.

Then Son's hattrick goal, how can the lino fllag offside and get it so wrong? They know it will be reviewed and even Mariner can't deny that one, so the linesman in a close call favours Leicester??? Why? How? Makes no sense except that TOTTENHAM GET THE WORST REFEREEING ON THE PLANET.

They retook the penalty because both of Lloris' feet were well ahead of the goal line when the ball was struck. They showed a still on the stadium screens and it was clear as daylight.

 

[RealCoolYid]

WTF?
It was a penalty. Sanchez visibly tripped him. And, unfortunately, like it or not, Lloris was off his line. None of this was debatable really.
If either scenario had gone the other way you'd be spitting utter venom if a) it wasn't given or b) the penalty wasn't re-taken.

What is more pertinent is why Sanchez goal was disallowed so quickly with barely a glance at VAR, why after he hit the bar and was subsequently flattened wasn't that looked at, and how the actual fuck the lino thought Son was offside and raised his flag at all. You didn't need lines to see he was on.

Of course you’re right loris was marginally off his line … but it’s more a case of he hasn’t actually checked he’s not in contact with the line … what he hasn’t done is moved before the ball is kicked to gain an advantage… he still makes that save

Again Sanchez does foul him …. But Justin is clever … Sanchez realises he’s not going to make it and pulls away …. Justin sticks his leg behind him to make sure there’s contact …. Seems it’s a done thing these days … Justin buys that pen

 

[Matt1882]

When did they actually do the minute silence? I assumed it was immediately before kick off but when I got home and put the recording on, it didn't seem that way at all?
I can confirm, that there were people around 5.24pm walking around the East Upper loudly chanting "come on you Spurs" and walking through the food/bar areas.

It's not beyond belief that they, like me, expected the minute silence to be immediately prior to kick off and had no idea it was going on outside.

 

[RealCoolYid]

To me it looks like he gained basically no advantage or at best the most tiny one. The rule was designed to stop goalies rushing off their line just like offside was designed to stop strikers goal hanging, they where meant to discourage unfair behaviour. I doubt they where made with the intent to be used like this.

If you make VaR be padantic then you have a consistency issue. Almost every corner kick has some degree of holding/shoving, technically that is a penalty if done by the defender, do we want 2-5 penalties each game. We would make very soft calls the norm because by the letter of the law that is the call.

Agree 100%

 

[deadleyledley]

What’s the point of inverted wb’s at the same time as inverted wide forwards?

Inception innit

 

[cretinousgoat]

Not watched the game yet so only going by the posts. Seems a split in opinion. We weren’t great for large parts but good in others.
From what I can deduce we need 3 in midfield. I’d go with Biss main man then 2 from PEH bent skipp or kulu depending on the oppo. Eg v citeh no kulu but 2 from the other 3 plus Biss. Up top Kane and son with richo as sub.
3 in midfield would allow us to be more attacking in WB positions. So rwb has to be either spence or Doh. Royal is holding us back so much but conte loves him. We need to let the handbrake off!
I’d go like this:
Romero dier (no one else) lenglet
Spence, Biss , 2 from PEH/bent/skipp/kulu, perri
Kane and son.
Would still leave enough on the bench.
Great to win 6-2 and seems like parts of the game we were attacking g with pace.
Negatives based on the posts we let Leicester have the ball too much, they got 2 goals and Hugo had to make some decent saves. We really need to stay on the front foot and not left the oppo get a sniff. Said it before even crap trans will get confident and tails up doing this so asking for a spanked bun.
Keep it tight by all means but make sure to pressure.

When Conte wants your opinion I’m sure he’ll ask for it.

 

[StuG]

I found out today that apparently his first name is Rodrigo..LOL...

I thought it was Ben Tancur

 

[mummy]

When did they actually do the minute silence? I assumed it was immediately before kick off but when I got home and put the recording on, it didn't seem that way at all?
I can confirm, that there were people around 5.24pm walking around the East Upper loudly chanting "come on you Spurs" and walking through the food/bar areas.

It's not beyond belief that they, like me, expected the minute silence to be immediately prior to kick off and had no idea it was going on outside.

It was pretty much immediately before kick off - there was only 'God Save the King' after the silence and before the kick off.

 

[RealCoolYid]

They retook the penalty because both of Lloris' feet were well ahead of the goal line when the ball was struck. They showed a still on the stadium screens and it was clear as daylight.

Both of loris’ feet were not well ahead … it was fractional and as I think a few have mentioned he gained no advantage and didn’t move before the ball was struck

To the absolute letter of the law it was the right call…. But this is not the intention of the law so it was applied harshly imo

 

[ArtyB]

So that's two early penalties given away by Sanchez in games when we ended up scoring 6 goals...good omen if you ask me...

 

[mummy]

They retook the penalty because both of Lloris' feet were well ahead of the goal line when the ball was struck. They showed a still on the stadium screens and it was clear as daylight.

Why the disagree for this post RealCoolYid ? All I've done is state two simple, incontrovertible facts.

Edit - just seen you've posted!

 

[Matt1882]

People should be a little wary about getting carried away with the final 20 minites

Sons goals were utterly gorgeous and he could have actually scored 5 in the time he was on.
But make no mistake, as soon as he scored his first, Leicester had given up defending altogether. Their defending was poor beforehand, but they literally gave up playing at that point.
There was a passage of play from us where we looked like prime Brasil but you could see Leicester players we're making zero effort to tackle.
I don't know if the stats are wrong, but Sky Sports show our tackle success rate as late 20s and Leicester at 75%
It sure as hell felt like we couldn't keep the ball until the last 20 minutes of the game so that stat could well be true.

 

[1882]

Was that during the 89th minute ole passing?

How much does that tell you about past experience that we're only comfortable enough to start "ole'ing" when 6-2 up in the 89th minute!!!

 

[mummy]

Both of loris’ feet were not well ahead … it was fractional and as I think a few have mentioned he gained no advantage and didn’t move before the ball was struck

To the absolute letter of the law it was the right call…. But this is not the intention of the law so it was applied harshly imo

But this law is like the 'offside' law. You're either breaking it or you're not. And Hugo clearly was.

...and the still they showed in the stadium proved to me that he was clearly off his line.

 

[Matt1882]

It was pretty much immediately before kick off - there was only 'God Save the King' after the silence and before the kick off.

I could hardly hear them singing the anthem from where I was stood.

I guess it is possible there was noise creeping through from inside the stadium but also believe there was likely some dissent in bowl.
As I said a few pages ago, the total media blackout on any anti-royal sentiment is only going to fire people up.
Once the funeral takes place they're going to have to let reasonable people have a say or else it could start getting quite nasty.

 

[Mrs Perryman]

Happy Son-day everybody.
Loved yesterday, bit of a roller-coaster game, but I'd rather that than the boring fare we had served up on Tuesday.
Thought 6-2 was a tad flattering but so happy for Sonny, felt like a long time coming, but as it had been said before - form is temporary, class is forever.
Loved Hot Rod's contribution, he would have been MOTM for me before Sonny's hattrick. Also, Harry's contribution was so much better than Tuesday.
PS - thanks to mummy for the homemade blueberry muffin, went down a treat with a cuppa when I got home.
PPS Watched MOTD last night and again this morning, such a treat when we win like that.
COYS

 

[McCOYS]

They retook the penalty because both of Lloris' feet were well ahead of the goal line when the ball was struck. They showed a still on the stadium screens and it was clear as daylight.

Yup they did a still frame on Sky Sports, Lloris was well off his line when the ball was struck.

I also think the Sanchez foul was a penalty, he fouled the Leicester player on the line of the box, and on the line means in the box.

We looked much better when Bissouma came on, we could have a very good MF with a 3.

 

[Matt1882]

They retook the penalty because both of Lloris' feet were well ahead of the goal line when the ball was struck. They showed a still on the stadium screens and it was clear as daylight.

How the fuck has anyone disagreed with this?
They showed him a good yard off his line, both feet, at the moment the ball was struck.

There's no opinion on the matter. The rules state the keeper has to have at least 1 foot on the line until the ball is struck. Neither foot was anywhere near the line.