There is no evidence he lied.Or he lied?
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There is no evidence he lied.Or he lied?
There is no evidence he lied.
Would you have reported it to the police though or you just go straight to the papers?Fair enough I take your point but where do you draw the line?
If I were to publicly accuse you of racism would that be OK? how about if thought I heard a member of your family being racist and published that in the local paper?
At what point does an accusation need to have at least some evidence before it's taken down?
I'm not saying Rudiger was wrong for one second, however when does what now looks overwhelmingly like an error on his part need to be taken back to give the accused the protection of innocence?
No evidence he exaggerated either, I only see he reported what he thought heard. We should be glad of the club statement rather than going after Rudiger.Okay exaggerated then?
If he thinks he's heard it, why would he withdraw anything.Your position is well understood ... you believe he thought he heard something and that he was right to make the accusations he did ... so to you the same question I asked Pipes earlier
Now a full and thorough investigation has found no evidence of monkey chants to support the accusation he made, should he now withdraw those allegations?
So am I ... it's just then when those allegations are unproven the decent thing to do is take them back ... even he must now realise he almost certainly made a mistake.Would you have reported it to the police though or you just go straight to the papers?
The club aren't suing him they are backing his right to make the allegation.
If he thinks he's heard it, why would he withdraw anything.
There's also no evidence that he was telling the truth...just saying...There is no evidence he lied.
That's what the police and the law are there for.So am I ... it's just then when those allegations are unproven the decent thing to do is take them back ... even he must now realise he almost certainly made a mistake.
How do you otherwise stop less genuine people than Rudiger making any accusation they want? He's right to report what he believes he heard (didn't need the monkey impression or the twitter) but he would be even more right to now accept that he may have made a mistake ... but let's not hold our breath on him or any of the talking heads doing that in this lifetime ...
If you see a homeless man getting abducted, but the police cant find evidence of it doesnt mean you then have to say I was wrong, I am just seeing things.Because the overwhelming evidence says he's wrong ... he should man up and accept that mistakes happen.
The club statement backs his right to make the allegation, people are going to believe what they want to believe regardless.There's also no evidence that he was telling the truth...just saying...
I'm not disputing that, it's just that in the balance of fairness I had to state that there was no evidence that he was either lying or telling the truth...The club statement backs his right to make the allegation, people are going to believe what they want to believe regardless.
No evidence he exaggerated either, I only see he reported what he thought heard. We should be glad of the club statement rather than going after Rudiger.
You do know that even the boy who cried wolf actually ended up seeing one...just saying...He's got previous... exaggeration his forte, ask Sonny?
Some people are so closed-minded and determined that they have to take a view on either extreme of the argument.
FFS, it actually is possible that he believed that he heard something, and that it didn't actually happen. Not one of us on here can categorically say that Rudiger didn't hear anything, or that it isn't possible that a comment or a chant could have sounded like a racial slur to somebody not familiar with Spurs chants and who speaks English as a second (maybe even third?) language.
It's massively unfortunate that this situation has happened, and frustrating as fuck that the club's name has been dragged through the mud. However, the media clearly reacted in the way they did because this was the first time (to the best of my knowledge) that the protocol had been followed in a match in the UK, at least certainly in the top flight, and so was always going to draw a crazy amount of attention after what occured in Sofia when England played Bulgaria. It's got fuck all to do with it being Spurs. The shitstorm would've happened if it had been at Woolwich, Norwich, Everton or wherever. And I find it hard to believe that there would be as much concern from a lot on here if that were the case.
Two different things, all players cheat it doesn't have any bearing on how they are as people.He's got previous... exaggeration his forte, ask Sonny?