The new poch out poll

[Park Lane Mark Twain]

I'm not huge on stats but this site makes for interesting reading:

https://www.whoscored.com/Statistics

Ranked 51 across Europe statistically, below Angers, Nimes and Brest

 

[John Thomas]

Our squad is capable of so much more than what they're currently giving. Levy bears partial responsibility for that, but Poch should be getting way more out of this squad than what he's currently managing.

You'd agree it doesn't help when 4 or 5 of your first team don't want to play for the club? The squad is stale and bereft of motivation.
You right about the responsibility being shared, but when the rot starts at the top, the very top, it dont really help in the long term if it's only addressed half way down.

What's sad about all this is when a few of us predicted the current collapse when Levy turned his back on Poch and the team last year, we predicted Poch would be the one people vented their anger against, Even though, at the time, Poch enjoyed so much universal popularity and was loved so much the idea of the fans turning against him seemed absurd.

Well. Here we are folks.

 

[John Thomas]

Annual Reports | Tottenham Hotspur

Find out about and download previous Annual Reports for Tottenham Hotspur dating back until 2006 and Interim Reports between 2006 and 2010.

www.tottenhamhotspur.com

30 June 2018 - £113m (CL)

30 June 2017 - £41.2m (CL)

30 June 2016 - £33m

30 June 2015 - £9.4m

30 June 2014 - £65.3m

30 June 2013 - £1.5m

30 June 2012 - £4.3m LOSS

30 June 2011 - £0.7m

30 June 2010 - £22.7m (CL)

30 June 2009 - £18.4m

30 June 2008 - £1m

30 June 2007 - £19m

30 June 2006 - £2m LOSS


Interesting quick skim. We've made a loss during the ENIC reign twice since 2006 and after taxation and interest paid, since 2016 we currently have only surpassed £10m profit for the year 7 times out of a recorded 13 years. Over half of our seasons have seen us fail to make a profit over £10m

As it stands though we have apparently got a culminative overall profit since 2006 that stands at £318.9m. I may have done this wrong as it's a very quick skim and I'm not an accountant but it seems like if we take away our Champions League seasons, which the club have always said they safeguard, the clubs profits from 2006 are a total of £142m.

Overall it's a £318.9m profit from what I can see across 13 seasons. Roughly an average of £24.5m profit on average each season. That average comes down to £14.2m retained profit per season if we don't include the Champions League seasons as the club have said they won't. What are your thoughts? Prudent business and contingency plans as football finance inflates or skimming off the top?

There you go. Good work.
Continuing annual profit while the football team continued to come up just short.
The 2 most barren decades in the clubs post war history coinciding with a balance sheet the envy of others.
But the most important thing to remember is what ENIC actually stands for.
How much is their initial paltry outlay now worth as an investment. And who's responsible for managing and repaying the incurred debt over the next 3 decades.
In short, who are the real winners in all of this?

 

[Cranston]

It tells me most fans realise the shambles we're seeing today has it's roots in the shambles that pretend to be running our football club.
Poch got fucked over by the board, and just as a few of us predicted on here, he's the one carrying the can now the wheels have fallen off

You make it sound like he’s being forced to work down a coal mine. He’s paid 8 million. Sure, fully agree that he could have done with a few more players, especially a RB and DM, but fuck me he’s responsible for a lot of this as well.

 

[skywalker68]

There you go. Good work.
Continuing annual profit while the football team continued to come up just short.
The 2 most barren decades in the clubs post war history coinciding with a balance sheet the envy of others.
But the most important thing to remember is what ENIC actually stands for.
How much is their initial paltry outlay now worth as an investment. And who's responsible for managing and repaying the incurred debt over the next 3 decades.
In short, who are the real winners in all of this?

Certainly not the mug fan's who continue to pay out and put up with this they are not winner's in this at all.
But there are fan's who like the poster you quoted who have little or no desire about ambition, and are happy for the club to tick over comfortably generating large revenue streams but no pressure or desire to go win anything

 

[asterdroid]

I think it's a bit of both mate. The old guard were class but have withered as they matured, the you're guard not up to genuine scratch and given too long to turn it around which has seen us with full of old legs, young grade B players propping them up and peak year stars carrying the lot of them.

Half of our team should have been moved on a long time ago and I feel we had done we would probably be sitting on an extra £400m for our troubles. At peak time we could have probably got £25m for Aurier, £40m for Trippier after the WC, £50m for Dier from a team like Man U throwing it about a few years back, £120m for Eriksen, probably about £40m for Rose around the time Walker got sold, £60m for Toby a couple of season ago possibly, £20m for Wanyama etc.

It's all hindsight of course and it's not said with an accusing finger, I just see what Ferguson did when he held no prisoners and used his instinct to say it's time for a change with some players and he did so whilst getting good money back on them. We haven't trusted our judgement enough, haven't been open to being branded a 'selling club' through risk of ridicule and it's left us with a potential £300m-£400m to revinvest dwindling down to perhaps £60m-£75m in reality.

We have taken our eye off the ball with analysing how players are getting on both productivity wise and with their fitness and mentality and it's left us with a lot that need replacing and not a lot we can make from the players we can sell.

Ultimately poor management at some level has seen us go stale.

I don't have much faith in his or the club's recruitment, we would have ended up in perpetual rebuild and signing more duds like Aurier and spare players like Nkoudu. And still end up in the same situation having pissed away the transfer pot.

 

[MVP]

What makes you think he's a yes man?

I see a man who wins things.

I'm talking about in the scenario that you set out where being paid 8 million will stop him from voicing his concerns.

 

[MVP]

Leicester sacked Ranieri after he won the league with them because they were going backwards.

Our fans think Poch “deserves the chance to turn this around because of what he’s done”

Serious question - Done what exactly? Let's be real now.

Yes, he has taken this club into the top four and took us to the CL final and numerous semi finals and finals and I will never forget that, I will always be thankful for him but let's be real, everytime we have come close to winning something he has failed and now we are going backwards.

The problem is, people are letting the romance of that CL final cloud their judgement, if we had never made it to the CL final I am willing to bet most people would want him gone, I bet money on it.

That night is something I will never forget, winning that semi and going to the CL final will be forever etched in my memory as one of the greatest moments I have ever had as a spurs supporter, however, the time has now come to let go of romance and start thinking about the future of the club.

Managers have been sacked for far less, Poch is sending us backwards, just look at these numbers, you can't deny it.

- 0 wins from 12 away games

- 6 wins from 23 league games

- 23 defeats from 45 games

- 23 points in 24 games

- Bottom half of the table 10 points from top 4, 5 points from bottom 3.

- No signs of getting better, terrible tactics, regressing squad and ridiculous press conferences that are frankly delusional at this point.

People said Sherwood could fix us, he didn't, people said AVB could turn things around, they were wrong and right now, they are wrong again.

Sacking those previous managers led to Poch and all the great times we have had and now sadly, the writing is on the wall again, LET HIM GO SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND IMPROVE ONCE AGAIN.

This club is bigger than a manager, an owner or a player.

Not me, he also took us to 4th, only one other manager has taken us into the CL and he did it once.
98% 99% of coaches I've seen suggested to take over from Poch aren't anywhere near as good as him.
You want us to improve to what? winning trophies? winning the prem? Playing more entertaining football?

 

[MVP]

I'm not huge on stats but this site makes for interesting reading:

https://www.whoscored.com/Statistics

Ranked 51 across Europe statistically, below Angers, Nimes and Brest

And Leicester are the second best team in Europe, we all believe that don't we?

 

[Incomplete_usernam]

Not me, he also took us to 4th, only one other manager has taken us into the CL and he did it once.
98% 99% of coaches I've seen suggested to take over from Poch aren't anywhere near as good as him.
You want us to improve to what? winning trophies? winning the prem? Playing more entertaining football?

Yes, yes and yes.

Also, I want us to do better than 23 points from 24 games, we are going backwards mate, I don't understand why so many people are intent on keeping a manager that is sending us backwards, it never ends well, you would have thought people learned from AVB etc when the slide started happening.

 

[MVP]

What legacy?

But if the implication is you only have a legacy if you win trophies, then not many Spurs managers can claim to have one. You really think that George Graham has more of a legacy with us than Poch?

 

[MVP]

Yes, yes and yes.

Also, I want us to do better than 23 points from 24 games, we are going backwards mate, I don't understand why so many people are intent on keeping a manager that is sending us backwards, it never ends well, you would have thought people learned from AVB etc when the slide started happening.

winnable domestic trophies Levy doesn't care about those, winning the prem will not happen under ENIC, playing more entertaining football is doable but results have to come with it.
Any suggestions for new manager?

 

[sammyspurs]

If that's directed at me, I shall stop posting as I've no wish to be thought of as ****.!

Don’t stop posting because the old skool hardcore nutters don’t mind relegation

I’ve heard to be a real fan you should even celebrate if we lose 4-0 to West Ham.
It’s going to be much better to be in 15th place in a stadium with 45,000 empty seats because that means we’ve got 15,000 real fanz all having a wail of a time.

Also don’t forget that we got relegated in 77 so how can it be bad now?
And if you remember the 90s you shouldn’t complain about going on a worse away run than we EVER did in the 90s.

You can also use the get out of jail card that reads “Poch should go and we are shit but I’m not going to moan about it even though I agree with you, I’m going to moan about you moaning because I used to go to matches in the back of an Escort van with 17 geeeeeeeeezers in donkey jackets and we all jumped out and had a piss on a bus stop then climbed into the Shelf and was reeeeeeeal for 90 minutes even if we lost 7-0”

Yeeeeeeeahhhhhhhhh

 

[scott]

I'd say the trigger will only be pulled if Levy sees the anger of the fan base turning on him. I've no doubt he'd then act decisively to get them back on board.
But the reason I don't want to see Poch sacked is because it just gives a free pas to ENIC to continue with their current formula. A formula that puts the balance sheet ahead of everything else.
I'm ok with Poch walking. Because that puts the spotlight back on ENIC.
Long term that would probably be worth the short term pain.
And I'm ok with him staying. Because long term, so long as we have to operate under the current model, I dont see any other manager getting us back into the top 4 or another champions league final.

If people were honest they would say under enic, if a new manager gets us lots of top 4 finishes & to a CL final then it would have been a big success. We can keep changing managers but if people want trophies & to challenge city & Liverpool, The only way is via new owners who actually really want those things & are willing to do what it takes.

 

[Raiders]

To put things in perspective I just threw up on the tube and almost shit myself - fuck my life.

 

[MVP]

Don’t stop posting because the old skool hardcore nutters don’t mind relegation

I’ve heard to be a real fan you should even celebrate if we lose 4-0 to West Ham.
It’s going to be much better to be in 15th place in a stadium with 45,000 empty seats because that means we’ve got 15,000 real fanz all having a wail of a time.

Also don’t forget that we got relegated in 77 so how can it be bad now?
And if you remember the 90s you shouldn’t complain about going on a worse away run than we EVER did in the 90s.

You can also use the get out of jail card that reads “Poch should go and we are shit but I’m not going to moan about it even though I agree with you, I’m going to moan about you moaning because I used to go to matches in the back of an Escort van with 17 geeeeeeeeezers in donkey jackets and we all jumped out and had a piss on a bus stop then climbed into the Shelf and was reeeeeeeal for 90 minutes even if we lost 7-0”

Yeeeeeeeahhhhhhhhh

who doesn't mind being relegated?

 

[scott]

But if the implication is you only have a legacy if you win trophies, then not many Spurs managers can claim to have one. You really think that George Graham has more of a legacy with us than Poch?

It's strange. Making fun of poch for no trophies whilst supporting enic for 1 league cup in 18 years.

 

[MVP]

It's strange. Making fun of poch for no trophies whilst supporting enic for 1 league cup in 18 years.

It's just become a fashionable witch hunt with some people.

 

[sammyspurs]

It's strange. Making fun of poch for no trophies whilst supporting enic for 1 league cup in 18 years.

I don’t see anyone making fun of Poch for not winning a trophy.....more the fans that think losing cup finals is like winning them.

 

[scott]

It's just become a fashionable witch hunt with some people.

A scapegoat. & then when the new manager takes over it will be all his fault.
When really under enic, If the new manager is here for 18 years & wins us a league cup then it's been a success. Roll on 2037!