Summer 2017 transfer window or, waiting for Godot

[Airfixx]

I suppose Pochettino didn't go to watch Jansen play for Holland. He must have liked what he saw, and he didn't go becuase he wasn't involved in his purchase did he.

I haven't suggested as much, simply that there was a hint of Levy about it.

All I'm saying is Pochettino isn't flawless. He's human. To lump all the failures as non Pochettino signings is very convenient.

Indeed and similarly, I'm not suggesting we do that; merely acknowledging that there will likely have been circumstances to every one of those transfers which dictated how much autonomy Poch truly had.

I find it easy to believe he Ok'd each of them from his end, but how much 'authority' he had at the time (see change of job title) and the options presented to him (see late panic Sissoko splurge) are key to whether we should 'blame' Poch exclusively or simply for his PART in a 'committee' process.

For me there's a distinct difference....

Like i say this summer will be interesting on this front.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Hope Walker stays purely for the arrogance City fans are showing more than anything.
The assumption it's as good as done. Would love for Daniel to tell them to fuck off.

 

[Dilfy]

Barca, RM, BM, Juve..... Should I keep going?

... Cos that's the calibre of player you're talking about.

Yes, do keep going, because your list will stop after 2 more clubs- PSG and the scum (who are a less attractive prospect than us anyway).

If you think there are no great players moving between clubs below that lot you are, thankfully, mistaken.

 

[sammyspurs]

You can take it however way you like but if you honestly read my post saying "harder games especially away" as Everton home and away, newcastle, west sham and Palace then there is obviously something very wrong with you.

Also when the flying fuck did i say i want the marquee signing on the bench for tough games? Quit twisting its boring.

Yeah west ham, Everton, palace and Newcastle away are always a walk in the park eh

As for the last part, I assumed playing Dembele in the tougher games amounted to just that? Or you mean play them both?

Not sure why you can't just explain yourself without the hostility. I genuinely don't get your point.

 

[Airfixx]

Yes, do keep going, because your list will stop after 2 more clubs- PSG and the scum (who are a less attractive prospect than us anyway).

If you think there are no great players moving between clubs below that lot you are, thankfully, mistaken.

Well I'm no armchair scout but if so confident by all means throw up some plausible names.

It's pretty dry all round in general here in terms of suggestions...

Also, still think you're underplaying the impact of the stadium project vs the spending power of the likes of PSG (!!!!), Arse, Liverpool, Athletico and even the likes of Everton and more...

There ARE only so many players of the calibre you allude to a out there and they come at a premium.... Even more so after a year in the EPL.

 

[Dilfy]

Well I'm no armchair scout but if so confident by all means throw up some plausible names.

It's pretty dry all round in general here in terms of suggestions...

Also, still think you're underplaying the impact of the stadium project vs the spending power of the likes of PSG (!!!!), Arse, Liverpool, Athletico and even the likes of Everton and more...

There ARE only so many players of the calibre you allude to a out there and they come at a premium.... Even more so after a year in the EPL.

 

[Don Corleone]

God this is the most boring fucking thread ever!!!!! Just endless Pages of Spurs fans bickering and arguing ffs!!! Where is the fucking transfer stories ????????

 

[Dilfy]

Well I'm no armchair scout but if so confident by all means throw up some plausible names.

It's pretty dry all round in general here in terms of suggestions...

Also, still think you're underplaying the impact of the stadium project vs the spending power of the likes of PSG (!!!!), Arse, Liverpool, Athletico and even the likes of Everton and more...

There ARE only so many players of the calibre you allude to a out there and they come at a premium.... Even more so after a year in the EPL.

I'm not a professional scout either, you'll be surprised to hear, and haven't watched enough non-Spurs games recently to even hazard a guess.

There are also only so many clubs in the top 11 wages payers in Europe. And we are one of them.
See below.
Ok, Liverpool higher than I remembered but other than that we can outbid most. Including Dortmund, Everton and indeed Atletico, who are way down on the list. Teams like Dortmund and Atletico have in the past been able to attract players we can't because of their CL status. We have that, a bloody great stadium, an appealing manager and a great training ground to boot. We can afford to be ambitious both financially and strategically.
Audere est Facere and all that.

 

[Rocket]

Footballers and their bloody Lamborghinis eh?

Well - footballers dads and their Lambo's anyway.

Don't worry it wasn't completely wasted, just don't think there's many farmers in here.

 

[tbonepremier]

I'm not a professional scout either, you'll be surprised to hear, and haven't watched enough non-Spurs games recently to even hazard a guess.

There are also only so many clubs in the top 11 wages payers in Europe. And we are one of them.
See below.
Ok, Liverpool higher than I remembered but other than that we can outbid most. Including Dortmund, Everton and indeed Atletico, who are way down on the list. Teams like Dortmund and Atletico have in the past been able to attract players we can't because of their CL status. We have that, a bloody great stadium, an appealing manager and a great training ground to boot. We can afford to be ambitious both financially and strategically.
Audere est Facere and all that.

You may notice from that least yhat there is an 80m difference between us and Liverpool, 7m between us and Dortmund and 34m between us and Atletico.
The latter two are thus relatively close to us, compared to our standing vs the richest five in England. And they have a few great advantages, such as being clear second and third richest and best in their leagues while we are fighting (and have done so very well) against five economic powerhouses in our league. They can guarantee CL every season, bar an odd fuck up, and the odd title run, we can only promise to do the best we can and win/get CL if we beat the odds.

Then there are factors such as taxes, culture, language and climate, that will attract some players more to clubs in Germany and Spain over England. South Americans are likely better off in Spain, a lot of eastern/central europeans are likely better off in Germany.

 

[Melspurnian]

That new home kit is fucking minging.

Bit of black on it too for us traditionalists

 

[CJJ]

Papers are reporting that Liverpool and Woolwich are have bid €100m for Mbappe.

This is for an 18 year old that has only ever played 50-odd senior games. Is it not a serious case of hype? World record transfer for a player that, if it weren't for Monaco generally being on form last season, would probably be under the radar

 

[SouthCoastSpur]

I guess he's commonly/currently associated with what was portrayed as a roaring success with his stint at S'oton (Overstated, but decent IMO), but you got me thinking...

Was it him or Puyel who had beef with Tadic?

...Wasn't Mane alleged to be pleased to be outta there?


(Lol... Got dirt Ronnie boy? We'll find it, bitch!)

Living down near Southampton and speaking to fans, Koeman wasn't that universally loved. They feel he got lucky with the team he inherited and that Poch was the far bigger loss to them.

 

[SouthCoastSpur]

ha ha, the arrogance of this post!

Real Madrid/Barcelona are looking to sign players that would improve their team. And Spurs don't have to.

I have never understood signing players to improve the bench/squad. That is not productive! No matter how good you get, you should always try and sign players that can step in the starting 11 and push someone in the current 11 down. That way the overall team improves because of a better player and the replaced player now has incentive to step up his game.

Harry Kane is the darling of WHL? Great, doesn't matter! Get a striker who's going challenge him immediately to a starting place. Same with every other player in the team. No player should feel their starting place is secure.

Whilst I do agree with you that if we can sensibly improve our first XI and its a player Poch wants to work with then go for it.

Having said that we are not Real Madrid or Barcelona who can easily spunk tens or even hundreds of millions on players and keep them all happy with massive wages and almost guaranteed trophies.

Improving our bench to give us better options from it is always worth it if we are unable to improve the starting team.

 

[vadimivich]

Papers are reporting that Liverpool and Woolwich are have bid €100m for Mbappe.

This is for an 18 year old that has only ever played 50-odd senior games. Is it not a serious case of hype? World record transfer for a player that, if it weren't for Monaco generally being on form last season, would probably be under the radar

He's clearly an absolute monster talent and when you get a chance to buy those kinds of players, you do it. Ronaldo had less than 50 league apps at PSV when Barcelona bought him, for example. You want the best years of transcendent talents like that, and you pay what it takes.

 

[Rocket]

God this is the most boring fucking thread ever!!!!! Just endless Pages of Spurs fans bickering and arguing ffs!!! Where is the fucking transfer stories ????????

Four and a half pages so far today. If ever a set of supporters needed a transfer to talk about!

 

[CJJ]

He's clearly an absolute monster talent and when you get a chance to buy those kinds of players, you do it. Ronaldo had less than 50 league apps at PSV when Barcelona bought him, for example. You want the best years of transcendent talents like that, and you pay what it takes.

That's a Ronaldo who scored nigh on a goal per game for Cruzeiro and PSV first, though, over 4 seasons (something like 100 career goals in 110 games ish without looking).

Mbappe isn't close to that kind of performance. He scored 1 goal last season (2015/16), and only just got a 1-in-2 ratio this season. The french league isn't exactly known as 'competitive' either

 

[ArcspacE]

He's clearly an absolute monster talent and when you get a chance to buy those kinds of players, you do it. Ronaldo had less than 50 league apps at PSV when Barcelona bought him, for example. You want the best years of transcendent talents like that, and you pay what it takes.

Ronaldo was he best striker of his generation. Mbappe has some way to go, don 't you think.

 

[ThePreacher]

*your

There is no asterisk before spelling the word your. Even i know that.

Now fuck off.

 

[CJJ]

Ronaldo was he best striker of his generation. Mbappe has some way to go, don 't you think.

I think he's probably still the best striker since the 90s began, it's just the injuries that cloud over the talent and skill he had, and even the crocked Ronaldo was still up there with the best.

I feel guilty for not taking time to enjoy watching him play when I was younger - took it for granted back then, in that Brazil team.