Kaboul and Vlad?
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Kaboul and Vlad?
I think if Messi joined Spurs and sorted out our back line once and for all it would definitively decide that he is the greatest of all time
for me, potentially the best partnership is Dier and Vertonghen. It has had its issues but from what I've seen this will be a solid partnership that we can take forward.
The only way we will get that elusive solid/regular partnership is to identify it and stick with it giving them as many games together as possible..
Swapping and changing it every game is never going to get that all important settled back 4.
Statistically it's not the best but the signs are there that this could work and could be our long term CB partnership..
The only way we will get that elusive solid/regular partnership is to identify it and stick with it giving them as many games together as possible..
Swapping and changing it every game is never going to get that all important settled back 4.
Statistically it's not the best but the signs are there that this could work and could be our long term CB partnership..
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You need a breaker and a sweeper. One who is proactive and the other who covers.
Cannavaro- Nesta. Vidic- Ferdinand, Woodgate- King.
This is why we had some success with Fazio and Vertonghen. I don't think Jan and Dier will work until Dier fully learns how to attack the ball properly (also he hasn't been helped by Jan not sweeping up properly behind him.) Dier has been found out by Zamora, Austin, Costa etc in the last few weeks, but this is part of being a young defender.
Only the truly exceptional defenders are complete by 23.
Cannavaro- Nesta. Vidic- Ferdinand, Woodgate- King.
This is why we had some success with Fazio and Vertonghen. I don't think Jan and Dier will work until Dier fully learns how to attack the ball properly (also he hasn't been helped by Jan not sweeping up properly behind him.) Dier has been found out by Zamora, Austin, Costa etc in the last few weeks, but this is part of being a young defender.
Only the truly exceptional defenders are complete by 23.
I want to see Fazio and Dier given a try.I hope Wimmer comes in and Jan leaves, as I'm tired of Verts.
Fazio and Dier are the only two who haven't been paired together. It would be interesting to see if they compliment each other. Fazio organises and is vocal. FFS he cannot be that bad as he captained his last team to a EL trophy. I think he's adapting. Most foreign CB's take time to adapt.
Dier talks a lot to. I wonder if those two together would be more organised. Jan does not organise. That's probably why you find the Jan and Fazio are the best pairing statistically. When you have a young defender in his first season he needs organising and Jan doesn't do it.
Fazio is in his first season. When he gets to know the game, the opposing players, I am sure he will come good. He had Costa in his pocket ( and Lukaku) If it would not have been for that error v Chavs he would have very good game.
Mason does ok in my book. If Bentaleb made more tackles our CM pairing would be statistically the same as Southamptons. Mason makes as many tackles per game as MS but less interceptions, and Bentaleb more Interceptions than VW, but less tackles.
More has to come defensively from the two wings and in front of Ryan and Nabil, from AT especially. It's interesting to see that since Lamela has been dropped it's all been coming down our right and Walker has been less protected and made errors.
I think both Fazio and Dier are both decent CB's. Dier was mentioned in the same breath as similar to Beckenbaur by Jesualdo Ferreira.
If Fazio does not fit into the managers style -too slow, why was he bought? It makes no sense to me. It's not a very good way to start a relationship with the new coach to get him a player he does not want. I am sure Mussachio was MP's plan A and Fazio the B.
Jan needs someone vocal to organise him. At the moment he has Dier, who is a young , learning rookie and Fazio, who is a leader, but is still adapting to the EPL.
Dier talks a lot to. I wonder if those two together would be more organised. Jan does not organise. That's probably why you find the Jan and Fazio are the best pairing statistically. When you have a young defender in his first season he needs organising and Jan doesn't do it.
Fazio is in his first season. When he gets to know the game, the opposing players, I am sure he will come good. He had Costa in his pocket ( and Lukaku) If it would not have been for that error v Chavs he would have very good game.
Mason does ok in my book. If Bentaleb made more tackles our CM pairing would be statistically the same as Southamptons. Mason makes as many tackles per game as MS but less interceptions, and Bentaleb more Interceptions than VW, but less tackles.
More has to come defensively from the two wings and in front of Ryan and Nabil, from AT especially. It's interesting to see that since Lamela has been dropped it's all been coming down our right and Walker has been less protected and made errors.
I think both Fazio and Dier are both decent CB's. Dier was mentioned in the same breath as similar to Beckenbaur by Jesualdo Ferreira.
If Fazio does not fit into the managers style -too slow, why was he bought? It makes no sense to me. It's not a very good way to start a relationship with the new coach to get him a player he does not want. I am sure Mussachio was MP's plan A and Fazio the B.
Jan needs someone vocal to organise him. At the moment he has Dier, who is a young , learning rookie and Fazio, who is a leader, but is still adapting to the EPL.
Messi
At the moment we don't have a best, we have a least worst.
Vertonghen remains a very good player but he seems to be led by emotion. Dier has potential. I thought he was pretty good in the final but is young, and it's a position that requires educating. Fazio is a bit iffy. Seems too clumsy and prone to dithering on the ball. Kaboul's race is run.
Carters-Vickers looks very promising - without question but we really need to focus on how our defence is looked after. That is from the front to the back. Too often both our full-backs are up the pitch, which is nonsense. It is quite basic to know that if one is bombing on the other has to remain further back. Our wingers offer minimal support and our central midfield don't quite have the discipline that Parker had.
Until all those facets are taken care of we'll always be prone to slapstick goals.
Vertonghen remains a very good player but he seems to be led by emotion. Dier has potential. I thought he was pretty good in the final but is young, and it's a position that requires educating. Fazio is a bit iffy. Seems too clumsy and prone to dithering on the ball. Kaboul's race is run.
Carters-Vickers looks very promising - without question but we really need to focus on how our defence is looked after. That is from the front to the back. Too often both our full-backs are up the pitch, which is nonsense. It is quite basic to know that if one is bombing on the other has to remain further back. Our wingers offer minimal support and our central midfield don't quite have the discipline that Parker had.
Until all those facets are taken care of we'll always be prone to slapstick goals.
Khumalo as the 'breaker' and Chiriches as the 'sweeper'.
We'll never lose again.
We'll never lose again.
Screw defending. Soldado and Ade for Verts and Dier, please 
Fazio and Vertonghen. Dier is also good and has a lot of potential, but Fazio is a monster in the air.
Any particular reason why? Vertonghen has had 2 1/2 manager since he's started with us, been paired up with a handful of different players, played in two different positions, played in three different style, and you think that a 22 year old with one year of top-flight football with a team in the bottom half of the Bundesliga will make him perform at his best?
Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do IF he joins us, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
That's awful bold considering we at least know what Jan can offer.
Because Dier and Fazio are competing for the right cb spot, Wimmer is Left footed too. Also Kevin is a hard worker and something that probably stuck out to whoever scouted him, he will put the upmost effort into training and if he does better than Verts in training then Poch will pick him, then Vertonghen might fight for a place in the squad or sulk, depending what mood he's in, when I wrote my original post I was quite high so didn't mean to say it as a statement that he will 100% get Jan to his best lol. Tbh to me It doesn't matter what form he's in I will not forget the sulking under Sherwood last season, shows that he's a big kid imo and not a true winner, just an extremely good technical footballer with no position on the pitch for him as he isn't that good defensively.Any particular reason why? Vertonghen has had 2 1/2 manager since he's started with us, been paired up with a handful of different players, played in two different positions, played in three different style, and you think that a 22 year old with one year of top-flight football with a team in the bottom half of the Bundesliga will make him perform at his best?
Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do IF he joins us, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
That's awful bold considering we at least know what Jan can offer.
I will probably get slatted for that but it's only my opinion
100% this.
Unfortunately I see Dier as a right sided Vertonghen and not capable of being that breaker like you mention. Perhaps it's because he is young still but I think if you look at how he played in his youth at Sporting (time at full back and in defensive midfield) he is more natural as the ball-playing sweeper. It's the same role Jan played at Ajax in his youth just left sided.
I agree with Chad, so obviously he is an expert.
I think we missed a beat by not at least trying to sign Nastasic in my opinion, or however you spell his name.
I'd play Messi at centre-back anytime. Obviously prefer him upfront, but if the only place I was allowed to play him was centre-back, I'd definitely play him over any of the other 5 or Bobby Moore, Beckenbauer or any other centre-back you want to mention. Commentators would have it easy, "Lloris to Messi, goal"
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I don't think there's much to choose between Jan/Faz/Eric with regards to ability, they all have their strengths and weaknesses. I'm inclined to give Faz and Eric a try, simply because I'm not sure that Jan is going to be around next year.
I never understand this attitude.
He is manager of a whole team both attack and defence. He has a very specific style of playing attacking football so of course the defence will be exposed at times particularly during his few season.
It is infinitely harder to break teams down at the top level than it is to park the bus and play negative football- I for one am delighted with the way things are going.
He could easily think "right I was a CB and as a CB I wanted FBs who didn't bomb up, and 2 defensive midfielders who gave me protection all game, midfielders who hold their position" etc but then you miss out on the basic parts of his philosophy entirely.