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Vertonghen is certainly on the downward curve.. but Toby was solid yesterday, and he also played a few dangerous long balls straight to Moura and Tanganga on the wings, on a good day those would've ended up in the back of Chelsea's net

Toby has a couple of seasons left in the tank to mentor any new young defender that is bought in the summer
Toby should be a squad defender at best. Getting beat for pace by Oliver Giroud, a week after costing two goals against Villa doesn't suggest he should have a massive future. He's been getting worse by each passing season and this season he has been very mediocre.
 
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Naah, he wont.

I would very much like him to. But he will not.

I was just wondering over the weekend - does Jose's "he is not ready" actually translates to "he is s*it"??
Cause for ManU Greenwood who is like less than 6 months older than Parrott is banging them in for fun. This season 34 senior appearences, 1650 minutes, 12 goals.

Ofc the development curve might be different/individual, and it might take more time for Troy.
At the same time... he insists Troy is not ready, but somehow seems oblivious to the fact that... Moura is not ready (to play CF) either really...

Well. We'll see.
This season seems to end in epic dumpster fire anyway so...
Conveniently forgotten on here is that lots of teams have striking problems and go to reserve or youth strikers.

We just make a song and dance about things.
 
Toby should be a squad defender at best. Getting beat for pace by Oliver Giroud, a week after costing two goals against Villa doesn't suggest he should have a massive future. He's been getting worse by each passing season and this season he has been very mediocre.
he wasn't beat by Giroud for pace, not sure what game you were watching.

That was simply a well placed shot that even beat Lloris on his near post. Can't blame anyone for the Giroud goal.
 
he wasn't beat by Giroud for pace, not sure what game you were watching.

That was simply a well placed shot that even beat Lloris on his near post. Can't blame anyone for the Giroud goal.
What?

When Toby was standing 30 yards out and touch tight to Giroud and Giroud simply ran past him was not Toby's fault.

Any wonder Alderweireld gets an easy time on here.

Next up, "No Toby and Hugo weren't to blame for Villa's first, in was Davinson's fault and I don't think he'll make it"
 
What?

When Toby was standing 30 yards out and touch tight to Giroud and Giroud simply ran past him was not Toby's fault.

Any wonder Alderweireld gets an easy time on here.

Next up, "No Toby and Hugo weren't to blame for Villa's first, in was Davinson's fault and I don't think he'll make it"

He did what was best from the moment Giroud got the ball..which was force Giroud to the outside and negate all his angles instead of aiming for a dangerous tackle in the box (someone inexperienced like Foyth would've certainly done that and conceded a penalty along with a card)

trying to find a scapegoat for every single goal conceded seems to be a thing here
 
He did what was best from the moment Giroud got the ball..which was force Giroud to the outside and negate all his angles instead of aiming for a dangerous tackle in the box (someone inexperienced like Foyth would've certainly done that and conceded a penalty along with a card)

trying to find a scapegoat for every single goal conceded seems to be a thing here
He negated the angles?

He failed, Giroud scored.

Because of course, Hugo has never saved a penalty.

Or better still, watch your man and don't let him run blindly in behind you.
 
Poch used to say "players are paid to train, not to play". He was right.

I'm glad this has come out,it gives a bit of insight into why he isn't playing.
But surely the idea is to make him ready by giving him, if necessary, one to one coaching and using players to mentor him. Surely Kane could be doing this while recuperating.

Not the manager walking up and saying "You're not good enough, prove me wrong"

Hell, I can do that.
 
But surely the idea is to make him ready by giving him, if necessary, one to one coaching and using players to mentor him. Surely Kane could be doing this while recuperating.

Not the manager walking up and saying "You're not good enough, prove me wrong"

Hell, I can do that.

Where's he said parrott's not good enough?

All it suggests is for him to prove himself in training if he's going to be given a chance, which has apparently yet to happen. Surely that is how it always has and always should be?
 
Where's he said parrott's not good enough?

All it suggests is for him to prove himself in training if he's going to be given a chance, which has apparently yet to happen. Surely that is how it always has and always should be?

Pretty sure Poch done the same with Kane - look how that turned out!
 
What about Troy Parrott?
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By Charlie Eccleshare and David Ornstein 3h ago 18
Why is Troy Parrott not playing? It has been a question asked repeatedly by Tottenham Hotspur fans over the past few weeks.

To quickly recap, Parrott is the prodigiously talented 18-year-old striker from Dublin who is viewed as the Next Big Thing by most Spurs supporters. He is widely admired internally at the club too, though naturally there is a desire there to manage rather than ramp up the hype.

But managing expectations has become increasingly difficult over the past few months for a player who scored goal after goal at youth level.

First, there was a lively senior debut against Colchester in September’s Carabao Cup defeat. Then, Parrott was given his first international cap and provided an assist in the Republic of Ireland’s 3-1 friendly win over New Zealand in November.

A few weeks later he made his Premier League bow in the 5-0 win over Burnley, coming on as an 85th minute substitute. After the final whistle, his head coach Jose Mourinho handed him the match ball — a gesture interpreted as a show of faith. There was even interest from Bayern Munich.

Jose-Mourinho-Troy-Parrott-Tottenham-Hotspur-2048x1363.jpg

(Photo: Ian Kington/AFP via Getty Images)

Since that early December day, however, Parrott has not played a single minute for the first team. This, in spite of the fact that the club’s only senior strikers, Harry Kane and Son Heung-min, are both out with long-term injuries. “We have zero strikers on the pitch, zero on the bench or zero in the stands,” Mourinho said after Saturday’s 2-1 defeat to Chelsea.

“What about Troy?” came the collective response when the quotes were relayed via social media.
There is more to it — more on that later — but broadly the answer lies in the fact that Mourinho simply does not think Parrott is ready, something he has said repeatedly in press conferences over the past couple of months. Parrott only turned 18 on February 4 and as recently as the summer of 2017 was still playing for Belvedere FC, his local club in Dublin. Thrusting him into a Premier League side’s first team at such a young age and with so little experience is, in Mourinho’s eyes, not a gamble worth taking.
There are a couple of natural retorts here.

The first is that with no other fit striker, surely Mourinho has no choice but to roll the dice?

The second is to suggest that age is no impediment if a player is good enough. Look at Marcus Rashford, who as an 18-year-old scored four goals in his first two games for Manchester United this week in 2016.
There is an important distinction to make here though, as according to one source Rashford was “in a different galaxy” to where Parrott is now when he got his chance at United. And even then, he was only playing because Louis van Gaal was faced with an injury crisis even worse than the one Mourinho is grappling with, having lost 13 players including Wayne Rooney, Anthony Martial, Adnan Januzaj and even potential makeshift striker Marouane Fellaini. This in turn shows that managers will only “roll the dice” in this way if there is a genuine belief that the player is ready.

Rashford is also the exception rather than the rule, as the step up from youth to senior football is enormous.

Mason Greenwood and Gabriel Martinelli are other 18-year-olds to have made an impact this season, but generally it takes longer.

Chelsea’s Tammy Abraham is only this season cracking the Premier League as a 22-year-old after full seasons out on loan gaining experience in the Championship, Woolwich’s Eddie Nketiah is finally getting minutes at age 20, while Liverpool’s Rhian Brewster is on loan at Swansea City in the second tier as his 20th birthday approaches. Harry Kane was 20 before he started playing with any sort of regularity for Spurs’ first team.

And unlike all of those players, Parrott is not a polished academy product who has been reared for the Premier League from an early age. He only officially joined Tottenham two years ago.
That all being said, given Spurs’ injury crisis it is not unreasonable to expect Parrott to at least be making match-day squads — especially after he signed a three-year contract a few weeks ago. Instead, he has not even been on the bench for the last three games.

This is where the “bit more to it” element comes in.

Sources have told The Athletic that there have been questions over Parrott’s mentality and application of late. Others have registered surprise at the striker’s apparent immaturity, especially when surrounded by his mates. Mourinho meanwhile appeared to suggest the player lacks “emotional control” last week.

Though again it’s worth remembering Parrott has only just turned 18.

And there are other elements to this story.

It has been suggested to The Athletic that a deal was close to being agreed with Charlton Athletic in January for Parrott to join the Championship club on loan until the end of the season. In any event, the switch was scuppered by an obscure UEFA rule that meant Parrott would not have been eligible as a homegrown player in European competition if he had completed the move. Players are required to complete two consecutive years at a club to be counted as homegrown, and since Parrott joined Tottenham on his 16th birthday — February 4, 2018 — he needed to stay until after the transfer window closed to qualify. Otherwise he would have been classed as a foreign player.

Parrott has naturally been left frustrated at the situation — his anger directed at UEFA’s rule not Spurs — especially as not playing will likely prevent him from being picked for Ireland’s Euro 2020 squad. Shortly after the transfer window closed, Ireland’s manager Mick McCarthy said: “I wish he’d gone to Charlton and played games on loan. He couldn’t go out before because of his age and I understand that, but if he’s not playing competitive football he has very little chance of being in the squad.”

Parrott is also understood not to have been given an explanation as to why he is not being selected for Spurs, instead relying on Mourinho’s statements to the media. Harry Winks was similarly left in the dark when he was struggling for minutes at the turn of the year — though this lack of communication is surprisingly commonplace among leading managers. Mauricio Pochettino operated in much the same way when he was at Tottenham.

Some observers attribute Parrott’s lack of game time to Mourinho’s perceived aversion to playing youngsters. One source pointed to Ryan Sessegnon’s struggle for minutes since Mourinho took over as evidence of this, coupled with historical examples like Romelu Lukaku under him at Chelsea. By way of response, Mourinho said on the weekend: “Some managers do it [play youngsters] for the stats. They play them once, then that’s it.” It should be pointed out that thus far this is what Mourinho has done with Parrott.

December saw Mourinho point to Scott McTominay at Manchester United and Raphael Varane at Real Madrid to counter the idea that he has been reluctant to develop young talent. At his Old Trafford introductory press conference in 2016 meanwhile he claimed to have “promoted 49 youth players from academies”. At Spurs, 20-year-old defender Japhet Tanganga has broken into the first team over the past couple of months.

But it’s important not to get bogged down in Mourinho’s past. What matters is that Parrott eventually gets his chance — this, after all, is a player who multiple Tottenham sources have compared to a young Kane.
Whether Mourinho is the ideal manager to develop him is open to debate but all Parrott can do is make it impossible for the head coach not to pick him. He’ll surely get his chance — it’s just a question of when.
In the meantime, Tottenham supporters may be faced with asking why Parrott is not playing for a little while longer.
 
What about Troy Parrott?
Parrott-Tottenham-training-e1582638723585-1024x682.jpg

By Charlie Eccleshare and David Ornstein 3h ago 18
Why is Troy Parrott not playing? It has been a question asked repeatedly by Tottenham Hotspur fans over the past few weeks.

To quickly recap, Parrott is the prodigiously talented 18-year-old striker from Dublin who is viewed as the Next Big Thing by most Spurs supporters. He is widely admired internally at the club too, though naturally there is a desire there to manage rather than ramp up the hype.

But managing expectations has become increasingly difficult over the past few months for a player who scored goal after goal at youth level.

First, there was a lively senior debut against Colchester in September’s Carabao Cup defeat. Then, Parrott was given his first international cap and provided an assist in the Republic of Ireland’s 3-1 friendly win over New Zealand in November.

A few weeks later he made his Premier League bow in the 5-0 win over Burnley, coming on as an 85th minute substitute. After the final whistle, his head coach Jose Mourinho handed him the match ball — a gesture interpreted as a show of faith. There was even interest from Bayern Munich.

Jose-Mourinho-Troy-Parrott-Tottenham-Hotspur-2048x1363.jpg

(Photo: Ian Kington/AFP via Getty Images)

Since that early December day, however, Parrott has not played a single minute for the first team. This, in spite of the fact that the club’s only senior strikers, Harry Kane and Son Heung-min, are both out with long-term injuries. “We have zero strikers on the pitch, zero on the bench or zero in the stands,” Mourinho said after Saturday’s 2-1 defeat to Chelsea.

“What about Troy?” came the collective response when the quotes were relayed via social media.
There is more to it — more on that later — but broadly the answer lies in the fact that Mourinho simply does not think Parrott is ready, something he has said repeatedly in press conferences over the past couple of months. Parrott only turned 18 on February 4 and as recently as the summer of 2017 was still playing for Belvedere FC, his local club in Dublin. Thrusting him into a Premier League side’s first team at such a young age and with so little experience is, in Mourinho’s eyes, not a gamble worth taking.
There are a couple of natural retorts here.

The first is that with no other fit striker, surely Mourinho has no choice but to roll the dice?

The second is to suggest that age is no impediment if a player is good enough. Look at Marcus Rashford, who as an 18-year-old scored four goals in his first two games for Manchester United this week in 2016.
There is an important distinction to make here though, as according to one source Rashford was “in a different galaxy” to where Parrott is now when he got his chance at United. And even then, he was only playing because Louis van Gaal was faced with an injury crisis even worse than the one Mourinho is grappling with, having lost 13 players including Wayne Rooney, Anthony Martial, Adnan Januzaj and even potential makeshift striker Marouane Fellaini. This in turn shows that managers will only “roll the dice” in this way if there is a genuine belief that the player is ready.

Rashford is also the exception rather than the rule, as the step up from youth to senior football is enormous.

Mason Greenwood and Gabriel Martinelli are other 18-year-olds to have made an impact this season, but generally it takes longer.

Chelsea’s Tammy Abraham is only this season cracking the Premier League as a 22-year-old after full seasons out on loan gaining experience in the Championship, Woolwich’s Eddie Nketiah is finally getting minutes at age 20, while Liverpool’s Rhian Brewster is on loan at Swansea City in the second tier as his 20th birthday approaches. Harry Kane was 20 before he started playing with any sort of regularity for Spurs’ first team.

And unlike all of those players, Parrott is not a polished academy product who has been reared for the Premier League from an early age. He only officially joined Tottenham two years ago.
That all being said, given Spurs’ injury crisis it is not unreasonable to expect Parrott to at least be making match-day squads — especially after he signed a three-year contract a few weeks ago. Instead, he has not even been on the bench for the last three games.

This is where the “bit more to it” element comes in.

Sources have told The Athletic that there have been questions over Parrott’s mentality and application of late. Others have registered surprise at the striker’s apparent immaturity, especially when surrounded by his mates. Mourinho meanwhile appeared to suggest the player lacks “emotional control” last week.

Though again it’s worth remembering Parrott has only just turned 18.

And there are other elements to this story.

It has been suggested to The Athletic that a deal was close to being agreed with Charlton Athletic in January for Parrott to join the Championship club on loan until the end of the season. In any event, the switch was scuppered by an obscure UEFA rule that meant Parrott would not have been eligible as a homegrown player in European competition if he had completed the move. Players are required to complete two consecutive years at a club to be counted as homegrown, and since Parrott joined Tottenham on his 16th birthday — February 4, 2018 — he needed to stay until after the transfer window closed to qualify. Otherwise he would have been classed as a foreign player.

Parrott has naturally been left frustrated at the situation — his anger directed at UEFA’s rule not Spurs — especially as not playing will likely prevent him from being picked for Ireland’s Euro 2020 squad. Shortly after the transfer window closed, Ireland’s manager Mick McCarthy said: “I wish he’d gone to Charlton and played games on loan. He couldn’t go out before because of his age and I understand that, but if he’s not playing competitive football he has very little chance of being in the squad.”

Parrott is also understood not to have been given an explanation as to why he is not being selected for Spurs, instead relying on Mourinho’s statements to the media. Harry Winks was similarly left in the dark when he was struggling for minutes at the turn of the year — though this lack of communication is surprisingly commonplace among leading managers. Mauricio Pochettino operated in much the same way when he was at Tottenham.

Some observers attribute Parrott’s lack of game time to Mourinho’s perceived aversion to playing youngsters. One source pointed to Ryan Sessegnon’s struggle for minutes since Mourinho took over as evidence of this, coupled with historical examples like Romelu Lukaku under him at Chelsea. By way of response, Mourinho said on the weekend: “Some managers do it [play youngsters] for the stats. They play them once, then that’s it.” It should be pointed out that thus far this is what Mourinho has done with Parrott.

December saw Mourinho point to Scott McTominay at Manchester United and Raphael Varane at Real Madrid to counter the idea that he has been reluctant to develop young talent. At his Old Trafford introductory press conference in 2016 meanwhile he claimed to have “promoted 49 youth players from academies”. At Spurs, 20-year-old defender Japhet Tanganga has broken into the first team over the past couple of months.

But it’s important not to get bogged down in Mourinho’s past. What matters is that Parrott eventually gets his chance — this, after all, is a player who multiple Tottenham sources have compared to a young Kane.
Whether Mourinho is the ideal manager to develop him is open to debate but all Parrott can do is make it impossible for the head coach not to pick him. He’ll surely get his chance — it’s just a question of when.
In the meantime, Tottenham supporters may be faced with asking why Parrott is not playing for a little while longer.

That article was behind a paywall?

Nothing in there, which we haven't yet discussed here.
 
So basically what we all thought. Parrot is young and immature and at this moment hasn't shown enough to deserve to play.

It's a shame that stupid UEFA rule stopped him getting a loan as that would have been perfect for him at this stage.
 
So basically what we all thought. Parrot is young and immature and at this moment hasn't shown enough to deserve to play.

It's a shame that stupid UEFA rule stopped him getting a loan as that would have been perfect for him at this stage.

Pretty much.

Let's not forget him pushing over a player needlessly and getting sent off in a youth game as well as the horrendous play acting that got an Italian player sent off (as well as himself) without mentioning him sticking his cock on a youth players head whilst they were being physically restrained.

He's either immature and one of those youngsters who feel they've probably made it now they've got a shiny new deal and training with the first team at Tottenham or he's being harshly treated. I'm leaning towards the first, but I don't know him.

Hopefully he does knuckle down and rises to Mourinho's challenge as he's obviously a ridiculously talented player.
 
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