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Interesting post from Skyscrapercity regarding safe standing potential at the new lane.

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Originally Posted by andy_Brixton
If 17,000 sitting = 25,000 safe standing ( 1:1.5 ) there's one thing about the comparison I don't understand.

People are still as wide sitting down as they are standing. Therefore the addition space for safe standing must come from depth (saved leg room). That's my problem; Tottenham have said the Stand will have the built in capacity to change modes, but how do you do that when each row/step is deep enough for just one sitting person: isn't the capacity either 17,000 or 34,000 - one person per step/row, or two?
Sorry for the reply to an old post, but I believe this is a common question /misconception. (Plus, I've been intermittentdly scouring the relevant pages from the time of the pdf publications!).

Basically, the norm is two per ordinary seat. Ie: two per tread. So, how do we end up with a different ratio?

How far each venue drops below that 1:2 ratio depends, in a nutshell, on how well designed the extra necessary access, egress, and ancillaries are. When there's more people in standing mode, certain parts of the terrace must adapt to deal with this reality. Hence a small sacrificial loss.

The optimum is roughly a loss of only 0.2. Giving a ratio of about 1:1.8.Conversions in older concourses would be unlikely to get near this efficiency. Good news for NWHL, bad news for those who will be still working with outdated terracing as a base.

Dortmunds Yellow Wall seated capacity is about 14,700, so actually, NWHL will posses the largest kop stand in Europe. It's bigger than the Yellow Wall, if only due to the extra width, but being the same height/depth.

Not only that, but I've previously mentioned that if the tread depth is 780mm (probably 760mm, but entirely possible) and safe standing comes in copying German regs of 260mm per standee, then this stand -as it's not tarting up of an outdated structure with smaller terracing- could legally accommodate 3 per tread. That is certainly a tantalising proposition, and one which would certainly be unique in the PL. A tangible asset over and above other stadia, as well as being bloody awesome!

The lower portion is designed ready for 1:1.8 safe standing at the outset. We know this. What we are seeing in Germany is incremental additions in areas of safe standing at stadia.

We will see safe standing in the PL. I have no doubt about that. The spectacle of it in rival Germany will be the driving factor with the men who sell the PL product. NWHL will effectively be a 65-66k stadium on the day that is passed.

When safe standing beds in I also think that the seated areas of the stand will go entirely to rail seating, as has happened with the incremental increases in Germany. I know some have wondered if the structure could take the weight, but believe me, it most certainly will have been designed with this redundancy incorporated, and then some.

If and when that happens this stadium will see a setting of a new attendance record for Tottenham, well above and beyond the previous 72,000.
Sweet mother of F-

If safe standing does come to the Lane, can you imagine nearly 30k standing in that end, singing?
 
I think Chelsea's negotiations to play at Wembley have helped unlock it for us, the FA don't like Spurs / Levy - but can't be seen to favour one team over another.

Without Chelsea agreeing / or being close to agreeing a deal at Wembley we'd just be told it isn't viable at all.

To be fair the FA use our training facilities for their Internationals don't they? Relations can't be that bad. I wouldn't be surprised if Levy does a deal like giving them a discount of our facilities including the new bit we're building so players can stay there as part of a deal for use of the stadium. Either way, I am sure Levy will get us a good deal wherever it is and hopefully it'd be at Wembley.
 
I think Chelsea's negotiations to play at Wembley have helped unlock it for us, the FA don't like Spurs / Levy - but can't be seen to favour one team over another.

Without Chelsea agreeing / or being close to agreeing a deal at Wembley we'd just be told it isn't viable at all.
Strange that the FA doesn't like us...

They should be on their hands and knees for us, considering that we're probably the ones to revitalise the England team.
 
Thank fuck I'm not the only one.

It wrinkled my brain when I was thinking about how the fuck they'd start. I keep wondering about how they kept the surface nicely level and how to avoid being even slightly off with the measurements for something so massive.

And yet it all gets more and more tangible every week that goes by. Love the progress that we're visually seeing now. Next season is gonna be pornographic.

I watched a documentary on that cheesegrater building in the city. They'd made a slight miscalculation so when they were joining the two points at the top to complete it there was a big gap. Solution was just to use brute force, squeeze them together using some huge machine. blew my mind
 
I love ArtyB's updates but as a non-architect I struggle to see the difference between some of the images....

Ooh look, that wheelbarrow moved a few feet!
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Fucking Hell 50k waiting list!!
"The Stadium continued to sell out for all Premier League home games further underlining the need for an increased capacity stadium to meet demand and satisfy a waiting list for season tickets that was c45,000 during this period and has now risen to over 50,000".

As members automatically get added to the waiting list, it'd be really interesting to know how many of those 50k would actually take up the season ticket if offered.
 
Only Bronze members do; Lilywhites don't.

But the point does stand, a lot on the list may not want or be able to afford one should they be offered.

i suspect that there will be an awful lot of people that don't take up the offer, which will be good news for those further down that are desperate to have one.

(but then again that opinion is based on absolutely no facts on which to substantiate it. ):pochwtf:
 
i suspect that there will be an awful lot of people that don't take up the offer, which will be good news for those further down that are desperate to have one.

(but then again that opinion is based on absolutely no facts on which to substantiate it. ):pochwtf:

I think the list for the current WHL has always been hit and miss. People definitely join it with the intention of wanting a ST but when reality hits and you're only offered the West Upper as a single seat, miles away from your mates AND they want you to pay £1800 up front - I'm not doing that. People want to sit with their mates in an area that they choose and sod it if they have to wait a few more years.

I reckon that's why many turn it down but for the new stadium nearly all those on the list will take it up.
 
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