His performance in the 1958 World Cup as a 17 year old is where it started. When he was 2 years younger than Mbappe he scored a hat trick in the semi-final and 2 goals in the final.
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Vincent Janssen nowhere near as good as he's made out to be.
Completely agree with Neymar - never actually seen him change a game by himself. Granted, I haven't actually seen him play in that many games, but the ones I've seen have been the ones on the big stage and I've never seen him step up and drag his team through.
The Brazilians loved Garrincha more because he was a joy to watch and a piss artist to boot. For anyone to say Pele was not a great if not the greatest player ever is idiocy at it's peak. The players who played with him say there are great footballers and then there is Pele.and yes I saw him play in the 66 world cup at Goodison Park where he was brutalised by Portugal. Garrincha at the same game was way past his best but still scored a free kick that went up and down as well as from side to side before nearly breaking the net. (ok I have bullshitted a bit with that last comment ) but it looked like that from behind the goal.
Puskas was tearing Europe apart on a weekly basis then.
You're proving the mythical thinking about Pele. some mythical facts on an obscure tournament in Sweden.
Not saying he wasn't good (I really have no idea), but when you talk of Pele you usually talk of the myth of him
My first thought was john Barnes.
Lived off that goal at international level for years, just stood on the touchline getting cold for the remainder of his career.
Also agree about neymar, now playing in the French league, sums him up.
That would be the World Cup.
in the 1950's un-televised where an amateur Sweden reached the final
Couldn't that be said about almost any sportsman from a bygone era ?
Might be. the point was that Pele built his own myth, when footballers on similar pedigree of the time didn't. So when people put him down as the best it's usually because of his myth rather than his merit.
How does one build their own myth ? If it is possible expect to hear a lot about the greatness of Brendan Rogers in 50 years !
Sylvester Stallone, dreadful goalkeeper, should have tried boxing.
Pele had multiple collaborations with FIFA (like choosing the best 125 living players and such) and all sorts of global events where he was introduced as the greatest of all time.
Think of Sherwood only with the apparatus of FIFA behind him
No I just quoted that one as an example of how great he was but he was a great player in a great team whereas Maradonna was a great player in a poor side and therefore the greatest for me
tbf, he scored 28 goals in a season from LW.
One of our worst ever signings by a long mile
Yeah but he only got to do that because of his greatness , bit like Tiger Woods collaboration with PGA on various projects over the years it was because of the greatness acheived in the sport of Golf.