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Don't know about a derby but there's been bad feeling and a real edge to there games since I was a kid..why i Havnt a clue.. I suppose there nearer each other than Norwich and Ipswich though !.
Have to be real careful these days if you run into Croydons antifa lite
Derby d'Italia - Wikipedia (90 miles)
Barca vs Real (300 miles)
Liverpool v Man U (47 miles)
Palace v Brighton (45 miles)
They both consider the other their biggest rivals so for me its a Derby but not a Local Derby (re stature its their biggest game every year).
Teams that consider a game vs us as a Derby:
Woolwich
West Ham
Chelsea
Crystal Palace
Watford
Fulham
30% of our games this season comes with the potential tag of Derby, yet I'd only really class the top 3 as genuine Derby games.
Saying that, the only real Derby is us vs Woolwich. The others have been fabricated due to Chelsea's and West Ham's adopted hatred for us.
Woolwich
West Ham
Chelsea
Crystal Palace
Watford
Fulham
30% of our games this season comes with the potential tag of Derby, yet I'd only really class the top 3 as genuine Derby games.
Saying that, the only real Derby is us vs Woolwich. The others have been fabricated due to Chelsea's and West Ham's adopted hatred for us.
I wouldn't call el classico a Derby or el plastico
It's a slightly odd one but for me it's a derby.
I lived just outside Croydon for a bit with an ex and there it kind of made sense. Not so much the miles but just the transport links and ties that people seem to have to both places. Met a lot who supported one or the other (mostly Palace) Palace don't really have anyone else do they? And Brighton don't get involved in South Coast rivalries really. Nothing in between, both clubs at a similar level over history.
Luton v Watford could be argued in similar way. Definitely a derby also.
I lived just outside Croydon for a bit with an ex and there it kind of made sense. Not so much the miles but just the transport links and ties that people seem to have to both places. Met a lot who supported one or the other (mostly Palace) Palace don't really have anyone else do they? And Brighton don't get involved in South Coast rivalries really. Nothing in between, both clubs at a similar level over history.
Luton v Watford could be argued in similar way. Definitely a derby also.
It is a Derby but not a local Derby- the hatred is there, its a weird one as no one really knows why it started (about half a dozen reasons given) - sometimes in the championship it had to be a bubble match there has been so much agro
Brighton and Crystal Palace fans clash with police as violence breaks out
What's the criteria?
Cool - most would though.
Never heard el classico called a derby
El classico is the big match the biggest most needle match. They can be derbies but not necessarily so. DERBIES need locality and a bit of history. The nld is a classic or the old firm or the Merseyside. They call the Liverpool man u a Derby but its more a classico.
IMO where Derby used to mean the local team the term has changed - FourFourTwo's 50 Biggest Derbies in the World
Why Liverpool vs Manchester United is England's biggest derby
There is now a distinction between local Derby and Derby (meaning biggest rivals), language is fluid and in this case it appears to have changed.
Why Liverpool vs Manchester United is England's biggest derby
There is now a distinction between local Derby and Derby (meaning biggest rivals), language is fluid and in this case it appears to have changed.
a rivalry is not identical to a derby. Man u - pool isn't a derby, neither was Leeds - Chelsea or similar matches.
a derby needs the local element, it needs the set of fans to have casual daily interaction with one another. Monday to be a holiday or a day of grief for the children going to school after the derby.
a derby needs the local element, it needs the set of fans to have casual daily interaction with one another. Monday to be a holiday or a day of grief for the children going to school after the derby.
The rivalry actually started at Spurs when Alan Mullery was given the captaincy over Terry Venables who wasn't best pleased and that started the needle between the two...here's a bit more detail about the match that started the Palace/Brighton rivalry...
Alan Mullery and Terry Venables had been team-mates at Tottenham Hotspur and landed their first jobs in management within weeks of one another at the start of the 1976-77 season at Brighton and Palace respectively. Both were ambitious Third Division clubs at the time fighting for promotion and – separated by just over 40 miles down the old A23 – had built up a healthy rivalry. That all changed over the course of 90 minutes at Stamford Bridge on 6 December 1976.
After the first two games at Selhurst Park and the Goldstone Ground finished level, Chelsea’s ground was chosen as the venue for the second replay. The match eventually went ahead following two postponements owing to bad weather, with Palace booking their place in the next round courtesy of a goal from Paul Holder.
However, it was Mullery’s reaction to two decisions by referee Ron Challis – subsequently rechristened “Challis of the Palace” by Brighton fans – which sealed the mutual hatred that exists to this day.
“I don’t think there was any love lost between Terry and Alan,” remembered Jim Cannon, the former Palace defender who played in all five of that season’s matches between the two. “They were winding each other up through the press and that helped build up the atmosphere among the fans. I think it was all about Alan in the end because he went crazy on the touchline about the disallowed goal and the penalty.”
What happened next has gone down in terrace folklore. Having approached Challis after the game to remonstrate, Mullery was making his way down the tunnel when he claims to have had boiling coffee thrown over him by a supporter.
He reacted by taking some change out of his pocket and hurling it on the ground, shouting “You’re not worth that, Palace” and flashing a V sign. His actions earned the former England midfielder a £100 fine and a lifetime of notoriety in south London.
Championship Play-off: How Terry Venables and Alan Mullery sparked a
Alan Mullery and Terry Venables had been team-mates at Tottenham Hotspur and landed their first jobs in management within weeks of one another at the start of the 1976-77 season at Brighton and Palace respectively. Both were ambitious Third Division clubs at the time fighting for promotion and – separated by just over 40 miles down the old A23 – had built up a healthy rivalry. That all changed over the course of 90 minutes at Stamford Bridge on 6 December 1976.
After the first two games at Selhurst Park and the Goldstone Ground finished level, Chelsea’s ground was chosen as the venue for the second replay. The match eventually went ahead following two postponements owing to bad weather, with Palace booking their place in the next round courtesy of a goal from Paul Holder.
However, it was Mullery’s reaction to two decisions by referee Ron Challis – subsequently rechristened “Challis of the Palace” by Brighton fans – which sealed the mutual hatred that exists to this day.
“I don’t think there was any love lost between Terry and Alan,” remembered Jim Cannon, the former Palace defender who played in all five of that season’s matches between the two. “They were winding each other up through the press and that helped build up the atmosphere among the fans. I think it was all about Alan in the end because he went crazy on the touchline about the disallowed goal and the penalty.”
What happened next has gone down in terrace folklore. Having approached Challis after the game to remonstrate, Mullery was making his way down the tunnel when he claims to have had boiling coffee thrown over him by a supporter.
He reacted by taking some change out of his pocket and hurling it on the ground, shouting “You’re not worth that, Palace” and flashing a V sign. His actions earned the former England midfielder a £100 fine and a lifetime of notoriety in south London.
Championship Play-off: How Terry Venables and Alan Mullery sparked a
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Norwich (closest team to them when in PL)Teams that consider a game vs us as a Derby:
Woolwich
West Ham
Chelsea
Crystal Palace
Watford
Fulham
30% of our games this season comes with the potential tag of Derby, yet I'd only really class the top 3 as genuine Derby games.
Saying that, the only real Derby is us vs Woolwich. The others have been fabricated due to Chelsea's and West Ham's adopted hatred for us.
Did sky advertise this as a Derby Yesterday ??
Doesn't meet the criteria for a Derby for me I find it ridiculous