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Am I gonna have to change my username?
The cunts will still be cunts anyway.
And to put a positive spin on it, surely us non-jews saying it is good? Saying we're proud of the club's jewish background, and that it's okay to be a jew?
Now that's a damned sight better than the THST Surfer Flag!I'm thinking about getting this banner made and just wanted some feedback. Does it convey the right message? Would it be allowed in grounds or is the 'yiddo' too obvious?
Do we know who's defending them?
We need a fire-breathing vicious QC type to send the CPS home crying. Can we get a rich Spurs fan to fund it?
Because if a guilty precedent is set, then we're all fucked.
Plus I'm already on a police warning...
Ledley King? He already starred in Baddiels video.
Racist thoughts and action says far more about the person they come from than the person they are directed at?
Using the word "YID -YIDO" can not be accepted at any level.
There must be an alternative!!
Here’s a new entrant to the pantheon of not-so-great ideas: to protect Jews from anti-Semitism, the Football Association has decided that thousands of Jews should be prosecuted for hate speech. (can't post the link, sorry)
Genius or what?
I’m a Spurs fan. I’m also Jewish. For various reasons – some geographic, some historic – we Jewish Spurs fans think of Spurs as "the Jewish team". Yes, we know lots of Jews support other teams. Yes, we know lots of Spurs fans aren’t Jewish. But to a Jewish Spurs fan – and to plenty of non-Jewish Spurs fans, too – we are indeed the Jewish team.
And as part of that identification, we call ourselves – proudly – the Yid Army. Not all of us, of course. But a very sizeable proportion.
It stems partly as a way of reclaiming the word Yid from those who shout it as an insult, in much the same way as some gay people call themselves queer.
It’s our word, and we take it as a badge of pride.
And when a player joins us, he becomes a Yiddo. Hence the chant, when Jermain Defoe scores for us, "Jermain Defoe, he’s a Yiddo".
As a Jew, I am genuinely uplifted when I hear tens of thousands of people – Jews and non-Jews alike – chanting the Y word.
Apparently, however, I am guilty of hate speech and should be handed a criminal record and banned from the games.
On Tuesday, the FA’s general secretary, Alex Horne, said that the word Yid “is likely to be considered offensive by the reasonable observer and considers the term to be inappropriate in a football setting.”
He went on to argue that “use of the term in a public setting could amount to a criminal offence, and leave those fans liable to prosecution and potentially a lengthy football banning order.”
I despair of these people. Is the general secretary of the FA really so deaf to context that he cannot tell the difference between people shouting the word as a term of endearment and pride, and a racist skinhead who means it as a form hate.
It’s the same with the n-word. If a black man or woman chooses to be described in such a way (I don’t want to spell it out precisely because it is so easy to take such an argument out of context) then is he or she guilty of hate speech?
Whereas if a BNP member is chanting "N*****s out", then clearly it is hate speech.
The point is pretty basic. Context matters.
I want to call my team the Yid Army. I want to our players to be called – by me and other Spurs fans, because it’s our right and our pride – Yiddos.
But when it’s spat out, alongside a hiss to mimic the gas chambers, then it’s hate speech.
It’s really not difficult to spot the difference.
I might take the FA a bit more seriously if they paid the slightest attention to that Chelsea hissing. Hissing might not be "speech" but it’s intention is as clear as any word.
Not a peep from the FA, however.
Instead, they are arguing that the best way to protect Jews from anti-Semitic abuse is to criminalise some of us.
Thanks, but I’ll look elsewhere for protection.
This could be said about many words, children of a younger age have been using the word 'Gay' without really understanding of its recent past history. But it's still received as offensive. If I were to ask my son to give me a list of racist terms against black people, he would struggle because the words/meanings have been lost. isn't that a good thing.
Most references on line make referance to Tottenham Hotspur when you look up the word Yid or Yiddo.
But we don't use it in association to the Jewish culture or community? I appreciate supporters do not like being told what to do or to say or change. I would be the same but on this I feel -
we need to take the higher moral ground and lead by example.
Tottenham supporters defied the threat of arrest to chant the 'Y' word in large numbers during their side's 3-0 defeat to West Ham.
Fans of both London clubs were warned in the run-up to Sunday's Premier League clash at White Hart Lane that singing the word could result in their arrest.
But, while there was no repeat of the offensive chanting from a small section of the away end which marred last season's corresponding fixture, the home contingent repeatedly sang the word in question.
Defiantly chanting "we'll sing what we want", Spurs supporters appeared to escape arrest in any kind of significant numbers, although one fan was held on suspicion of committing a section five public order offence.
Tottenham have traditionally been associated with a Jewish fanbase, and their fans claim using the 'Y' word is a way of reclaiming it.
The Football Association has attempted to outlaw use of the word in stadiums.
But, while there was no repeat of the offensive chanting from a small section of the away end which marred last season's corresponding fixture
I'd join in with most songs but I couldn't sing "we're proud to be jews". Wouldn't feel right considering I'm not jewish