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This is Readings training ground as of May 2019:
This is Readings new training ground........ a team that finished 20th in the Championship .
But there is clearly no merit in what I saying - just me being negative of course.
This is Readings training ground as of May 2019:
And? Did you think it would build itself?
And here comes ArtyB with nothing but ivitriol.
Go on I dare you to counter the point being discussed or are you too much of coward?
Where have I said that having Hotspur Way is a bad thing - that wasn’t required?
The point is it’s significance - let’s not talk about us because clearly some do not the maturity for that.
Take Leicester for example - their complex will be one of the best in the world - I’m sure their players will love training there and prefer it their old one. Great.
Does it enhance their club in any meaningful way? No - it’s training complex and they will still be Leicester City. They are not going to suddenly attract a different calibre of player than before. A training complex will never enable a club to do that and is anyone’s m perception of Leicester going to change on here because of it?. It’s not and everyone here knows that.
So when we apply such criteria to other clubs can some find it so difficult to apply to their own?
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The fact that it’s a year away from construction is utterly irrelevant to the discussion and I like how over a year is a long way now .
Our training complex is being positioned as a USP by some - that this is somehow unique to us. There are already a number of clubs with excellent training facilities and many more redeveloping. It’s not a major attraction for any club and never will be.
And It can’t be be a USP for us when mid table clubs like Leicester are building similar complexes and even relegation threatened Championship clubs like Reading are building complexes like that. This is the standard now.
And even it wasn’t - it still wouldn't provide any discernible enhancement. It’s not going to be a major item on the agenda for a player - it’s about the salary and the talent of the team and the capacity to win silverware. Ndoumble didn’t join us because of Hotspur Way - Lyon have good training facilities and a brand new state of the art stadium. It’s all about the money and a clubs capacity to compete.
The cowards way out again - why change of habit of a lifetime hey?
What you do honestly expect to them to say when asked about this? Did you honestly believe Hodgson believed that Hotspur Way at a whole new level when the England national team had St George’s Park?
And again this isn’t about the redevelopment - we needed a new training ground, Hotspur Way is a fantastic complex. That was never being disputed.
Again this is about it enhancing the clubs status in any discernible way. That it would influence new signings. It won’t contracts and teams do that. Take us out of this and if a Leicester supporter tried to claim that their new complex will take them to the next level and enhanced their future signings what would you say.
It’s make a mockery of any such suggestion when teams like Reading are being facilities like that.
Hotspur Way is a fantastic training facility that the club needed. That’s it - it doesn’t need to be presented as something that it is not.
The point being discussed was driven by the suggestion that this is going to massively enhance our status.
It hasn’t and is barely being discussed outside of our club. It’s a training complex that is it. And when Championship clubs are building complexes ( again the fact that it is still being constructed is irrelevant) like that it’s never going to be a USP for us - that’s the standard now. The top 6 all. have very good facilities - even Everton have finch farm. It’s being presented that we have a world class training complex whilst everyone else has ports cabins and muddy pitch.
And it’s not a major driver behind player decisions - the vast majority of transfer activity occurs in the final weeks of the window. Do you honestly believe that footballers will have the capacity to visit each respective clubs training ground when preseason is occurring ?
Do you think VDV cared much when he turned up at Spurs Lodge when signed for us in the final stages of the window when he had been used to Real Madrid’s facilities. Of course he didn’t - you only have to see how he speaks about us to see it had no bearing on his time at the club.
And Hotspur Way and no bearing on William who was there before going to Chelsea ( despite Cobum being inferior) when he found out about their interest.
I’m not even going to get involved with that United PSG comment because that’s another clear sign of someone distorting reality to create another comfort narrative for themselves.
Clearly you are not reading is being discussed here.
I’ll ask you again is Leicester’s new training complex which will be on a par with ours going to enhance their status in the game? Will they attract a higher calibre of players going forward because of it ? Are opposing clubs and supporters going to stand up and take notice of them now? It’s must do right because it’s going to be an excellent facility - no doubt gathering many favourable comments from players?
Again Hotspur Way was needed, it is an excellent facility but it simply does not extend to anything beyond that. It’s the hypocrisy is what grates - had it been Leicester supporters trying to make a claim that it massively enhances their status they would been mocked on here but when it is us - absolutely does do that! They level of self congratulation is quite something.
As for City - well given that they are owned by a Sovereign Wealth Fund and that the whole venture is just marketing exercise It doesn’t surprise me the sums they spend.
Good for you but you might want to actually read what was being discussed before wading into a discussion centering on our training complex enhancing our status in the game.
The elite clubs are determined by revenue - it's the club financial capacity that determines it's position in the games hierarchy. It's that capacity which enables a club to acquire elite managers and elite players rather than having to develop them like we do. Do you honestly believe that Man City were not an elite club prior to their training ground redevelopment? That PSG are not an elite club because they play at the Parc des Princes and currently have their old training ground? You still have this warped belief that our club can move into the elite when despite its ground redevelopment and added revenue it still trails massively those clubs - It's pure wish thinking bordering on delusion.
Seriously just what planet do you live on? The media are always talking about a 7 year old training complex are they? Really - I must have missed that myself. It generated a lot of attention at the time much like Leicester's will and then it will be forgotten about because absolutely no one cares about training complexes. I do frequently go on other clubs forums to see what they are saying about their own and ours and no is talking about the training complex ( I very much doubt you go outside your Twitter echo chamber). The stadium gained traction for obvious reason but virtually no one in other supporter bases is talking about our training complex. Much like outside of this thread no one is talking about Leicester's new complex or actually really cares.
Spurs Lodge was never a poor training complex - it was redeveloped back in '97 if I recall correctly so lets not pretend we had terrible facilities. And the second sentence is really telling - that is what this is really all about , we have a superior training facility to United, Woolwich, Chelsea and Liverpool and that is why what to elevate in such a way. And to do so is absolutely absurd because no really actually cares and to do such a thing actually has the reverse effect - it makes us look small. At one point our complex was an a chairman's fantasy and then architect's drawing - that the process that is undertaken but as with Lecicester it's progressed on from that as work has started on the site.
That is one of the most ridiculous things I have read on here - having a great training complex enables us to compete with the elite clubs? I take it once Leicester have theirs completed they will be able to compete as well? I find the notion that we wouldn't be competing without Hotspur Way despite having this group of players absolutely hilarious. Tell me how did Spurs finish in the top 4 twice and reach the CL quarter final in it's first campaign being at Spurs Lodge?
(Willian had NO say in what club he wanted to join, this decision was made for him and completely out of his control, he joined Chelsea because they took Eto, then the Worlds highest-paid player in at the time of the books of the club where the owner was getting out). BTW Cobham isn't inferior, it doesn't possess a lodge but everything else is pretty much the same as ours, it's elite, so even if this was important to him he wasn't going to inferior facilities, so I simply don't get your argument here, we have elite facilities and they have elite facilities).
Oh really - Willian had no say did he? Well lets look at what he to say on the matter.
Doesn't really sound like someone who was forced to join Chelsea against his will or that he had no say in the matter does it? Seriously you really have to stop presenting such things as factual statements. You did this will Cortese and Pochettino and I embarrassed you with direct quotes from Pochettinho which showed that you were making it up and now you doing it again with some fanciful story about Willian.
As for Corbum ours is superior - it was built nearly 6 years later and cost more - the point is that it didn't have any bearing on Willian - what did was their ability to pay higher wages and the constant stream of success.
You don't get do you? The only contest that actually matters is revenue because that is what defines an elite club - we have an elite squad but we are not an elite club and wont unless we get our revenue on a par with them . And the only way that will happen is if we obtain an owner likes City's or PSG. You are seriously deluding yourself otherwise or would you care to explain how we bridge to the financial gap to the like of United, Bayen, Barca or Real? As for asking our players - well me tell why have Eriksen and Alderwield wound their contracts down at a time when the club has moved into a brand new stadium, has a fantastic training complex and enjoyed it's best league finishes in the PL era? Why is exactly that our players can double their wages at other clubs and why we cannot pay the market rate then?
And where did I say that?
What I actually said is that Leicester will have a training complex on a par with us ( same developer which why is looks similar) and that even bottom end Championship clubs like Reading are building state of the art complexes ( which actually look great). How you have read that into it o do not know.
When I was younger I worked for a multi national company and was moved from building to building. Whilst I did not have much of a say in it, some facilities were good and others pretty grim. Yes when working in the better buildings with modern facilities it did make me feel good but the people there and the career move were more important. I think that if a player is unhappy and working/training in a poor facility it will make it worse whilst if the facilities are the best he might be reluctant to leave although his career will be more important. However Levy is making money by renting the facility to other teams.