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How could I forget Old Trafford this season. However, the Danny Rose nights and those 4-4's we had with Chelsea and Woolwich just seem a bit different, I don't know why. Don't listen to me anyway.
 
Me and my girlfriend want to get together the money for a deposit on a new flat this year, so how can I say to her that I've just blown £60+ in an afternoon. But enough about whores and drugs, going to Spurs is expensive too.

I've blown Sunday out because I can't justify it. I'm trying not to go this season if the game is definitely on the box. (Doesn't always work because of the amount of games they reschedule at short notice.)
 
Thelonious said:
The sort of people that will pay in years to come will probably be fans who aren't exactly vocal, it'll just be a league full of soulless bowls. The owners make their money but the selling point of passion and atmosphere will be gone.
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Who cares if it's dead, if the team on the pitch is a winner.

Ask PSG how they're enjoying record attendances after stripping the season tickets off all of their most vocal/spursiest fans.
 
Thelonious said:
It's about making a stand.
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But that's also my point! The PSG hard-core have made a stand and are boycotting their team (or only going to youth matches). Yet the club is showing no signs of changing their attitude (this is season 3 of the boycott), and, in fact, they're doing better now than ever before (in terms of gates) and are putting a product on the pitch that's as impressive as anything in PSG's 40 year history.

And in the meantime, the hard core stay at home. I don't begrudge anyone's choosing not to go. I fully understand/agree with the motivation, etc. I just question it as a tactic.
 
Dru said:
Remember my 'Americans and Spurs' thread that went on and on? This is kind of what I was getting at, different type of people going to games nowdays, Tourists, rich kids who's parents pay, corporates....none of whom really contribute much to atmosphere.
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Except I'm not a raging xenophobe :baletroll:
 
I guess ultimately what I'm getting at is those that run the club that I love persist in fleecing me then I can't just say 'fair enough'
 
I do hope the people from the club who read this forum will actually see this and other related posts and maybe, just maybe, care about the fans that are coming close to a point where we've had enough. I know this won't happen, but everyone likes to dream...
 
To be honest, the really (really) good times as a regular Spurs fan ended with Martin Jol.
I've gotten behind every manager since and really like AVB, it just seems the world has turned a notch and I've been left behind.
 
Doesn't matter if the fans don't go to WHL week in week out for a season or more.

If attendances did drop down to 20k across the league and the hardcore supporters stay away and the stadiums become docile viewing arenas for soccer there is a ready made answer the people who run the game would love.

The worldwide demand for EPL football and CL football would make it conceivable that half of Prem matches could be played in other parts of the world with the games screened back to England to be watched on large screens on the pitch. People would go to these.

And then if your chance to see Spurs play in Tottenham was limited to 5 home games a season you don't think it would sell out 56k seats no matter the cost?

I've seen the future. It's shit.
 
Unfortunately we are in an arms race, and football has come to a point where it is based on money, which is why Levy is such a stupendous chairman, the best we could possibly have. The fans are vital, but the vital fans are those who have deep pockets, because we must pay and pay a lot to achieve the heights we demand.
I mourn the passing of the vocal supporter, but that is the past, as is hooliganism which I don't mourn.
Boycotting will not affect ticket prices - it will just allow the teams which don't have boycotts to overtake us.
The author is right in saying it is fans who are driving the price up, and it is our expectations and demands which are doing that.
Fine, if you want to boycott, do it, but realise that you are boycotting the club to a lower division.
If you want us in the CL and to win the PL again, we have to pay. It is only thanks to Levy that we are not paying more to keep us where we are.
 
I am stunned.

Owner's are running clubs like, dare I say, a business. A private business.

The Bundesliga has an interesting alternative.
 
RSpurs said:
Unfortunately we are in an arms race, and football has come to a point where it is based on money, which is why Levy is such a stupendous chairman, the best we could possibly have. The fans are vital, but the vital fans are those who have deep pockets, because we must pay and pay a lot to achieve the heights we demand.
I mourn the passing of the vocal supporter, but that is the past, as is hooliganism which I don't mourn.
Boycotting will not affect ticket prices - it will just allow the teams which don't have boycotts to overtake us.
The author is right in saying it is fans who are driving the price up, and it is our expectations and demands which are doing that.
Fine, if you want to boycott, do it, but realise that you are boycotting the club to a lower division.
If you want us in the CL and to win the PL again, we have to pay. It is only thanks to Levy that we are not paying more to keep us where we are.
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This is utter bollocks.
 
Éperons said:
But that's also my point! The PSG hard-core have made a stand and are boycotting their team (or only going to youth matches). Yet the club is showing no signs of changing their attitude (this is season 3 of the boycott), and, in fact, they're doing better now than ever before (in terms of gates) and are putting a product on the pitch that's as impressive as anything in PSG's 40 year history.

And in the meantime, the hard core stay at home. I don't begrudge anyone's choosing not to go. I fully understand/agree with the motivation, etc. I just question it as a tactic.
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For a team with an organised support, which is true of PSG despite the massive in-fighting, I wonder if a better solution would be to pick games where the hardcore will turn up and make a noise, seeing as an outright boycott doesn't seem to be working. That way, the fans will still get to see some games, and can remind other fans of the difference to the atmosphere they make.

Ultimately though, it will take on-pitch failure from PSG, Spurs or any top team, to induce the club to have the desire to win back those who have been priced out of the game (or who have become disillusioned)...as this will drive away the JCL's and the tourists.
 
Dannyboy said:
I disagree with this entirely, specifically the highlighted section (hence why I highlighted it).

It is only in the past if it is allowed to become so. Sanitising football has become the MO for many clubs, and if that is the direction they are intent on, then the vocal section has a duty to remind the Club of the fibre which keeps Tottenham, Tottenham.

The past couple of years have seen me go less and less, and when I do go it is for the games which are more affordable. I have outgoings now that don't let me enjoy what for 20 years was a regular day out. I don't see it changing.
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Umm, not quite sure what you are on about. You disagree with the highlighted section, which is where I said I was sad to see the passing of the vocal supporters.
Does this mean you are glad to see them go?
The Lane is a lot quieter now than it was 10 or 20 years ago. That is my opinion, of course, do you disagree with that?
My other point was that it takes money to get success at the moment and that the club is getting quite a bit of that from supporters. Sure lots come from the television rights etc, but still they get a very significant amount from supporters. The more they get, the more successful Tottenham can be.
 
RSpurs said:
Umm, not quite sure what you are on about. You disagree with the highlighted section, which is where I said I was sad to see the passing of the vocal supporters.
Does this mean you are glad to see them go?
The Lane is a lot quieter now than it was 10 or 20 years ago. That is my opinion, of course, do you disagree with that?
My other point was that it takes money to get success at the moment and that the club is getting quite a bit of that from supporters. Sure lots come from the television rights etc, but still they get a very significant amount from supporters. The more they get, the more successful Tottenham can be.
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No, the very second line explains why I disagree with it. Did you read it?
 
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