Tanner Long dives head first into the crowd debate. Having sat in the Paxton and Park Lane this season he shares his views on what he has seen so far.
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I was hoping it was a piece by Trevor Tanner.
As for this
Forget about ENIC, forget about Levy, and forget about our position in the league table during a match. Just show the players on the pitch that you love that badge on their chest and that you believe that they can succeed wearing that badge.
Problem is, several of them are not fit to wear the badge &, more to the point, dont want to..
As for this
Forget about ENIC, forget about Levy, and forget about our position in the league table during a match. Just show the players on the pitch that you love that badge on their chest and that you believe that they can succeed wearing that badge.
Problem is, several of them are not fit to wear the badge &, more to the point, dont want to..
it,s a culture thing , many of us have Spurs in our genes through family ties over
many generations . Many North Americans cannot ,no matter how they try,
understand the depth of disharmony , worthlessness , and despair many feel .
Enic/ Levy have created the crap team we are today. , Both go hand in glove.
Why no atmosphere ? Ask Teflon Dan,
No Star of David , no flags with message ,
Young overpriced , full of grey pounders , or the old and fat .
Any one good sold , cheap alternatives .
No direction from board level, stub hub rip off.
Aggressive stewardship , loud p.a. System to mask fan discontent .
Foreign day trippers , etc etc .
The club want a passive , high spend on tat , happy clappy , international bland support .
They are half way there .
many generations . Many North Americans cannot ,no matter how they try,
understand the depth of disharmony , worthlessness , and despair many feel .
Enic/ Levy have created the crap team we are today. , Both go hand in glove.
Why no atmosphere ? Ask Teflon Dan,
No Star of David , no flags with message ,
Young overpriced , full of grey pounders , or the old and fat .
Any one good sold , cheap alternatives .
No direction from board level, stub hub rip off.
Aggressive stewardship , loud p.a. System to mask fan discontent .
Foreign day trippers , etc etc .
The club want a passive , high spend on tat , happy clappy , international bland support .
They are half way there .
You have that spot on Nutter: We do have several players that need to go or have a very radical rethink about club loyalty and tradition.
''The club want a passive , high spend on tat , happy clappy , international bland support. They are half way there''
Sounds like Levy wants us to become Woolwich.
It seems like the club wants our fans to be similar to our squad of players. A bunch of yes men!
Interesting point, I would say its the lack of both talent and passion that is the issue. Previously you would get the passionate players the Harry Kane's living the Spurs dream then you would get the the foreign talents such as Modric, no direct loyalty to Spurs but providing the extra craft, a team with a mixture of talent and passion.
Problem I see is that our lazy don't give a shit players don't have the talent to be that way, Ade, Paulinho, Soldado and the like are not in the class of Ginola, Modric, VDV and so on hence why Poch is playing the likes of Mason and Kane. I could accept Ade being lazy if he had the ability of Klinsmann, he doesn't not even close.
This is the main reason for the discontent. Ive seen many people both on here and twitter saying that if you can see a player has given everything, Left everything on the pitch then they will back them all the way get behind them
why do you think dawson got such a good send off when he left?
As a Green Bay fan who watched the playoff game the reason that they got cheered off was because even in a season when Rodgers got injured, the players gave it their all every game and in the last game against the bears played their hearts out and it because the players care about that franchise, not only that it is partly owned by fans and run unbelievably well for fans and fans can scream their hears out, now... Come across the Atlantic to a Place in North London called Tottenham, where there used to be a football club, a club with players that don't care about it, an owner that sees us as customers, not fans, and the general feeling of distance from the club, this team doesn't care, levy doesn't care so why should we give them the pleasure of being applauded for not caring, no we shouldn't, most of us have always been tottenham and this is the most distant I felt from the club, it's depressing, and I'll support and clap if I know that you've pulled yourself off the field after giving everything, not half arse it, then skip of the pitch with a smile on your face after an embarassing loss, big different between Green Bay and tottenham
People like Levy exist everywhere, in another life he would be a tin pot dictator of a banana republic, he doesn't like descent, compromise or even just listening and therefore can only deal with yes men.
When the yes men agree with him and do what he asks but it falls apart he doesn't blame himself like any normal person would but instead blames the yes men and replaces them with more yes men expecting different results somehow.
In the end like a banana republic everything ends up being like the man himself, the team, the fans, the culture in general this is Levy's Tottenham, this is his full vision and this is as much as we will get from the dull corporate dictator.
Dawson obviously was aging and was not top half prem material by the time he left us but what a heart he had, good mentality every game, I wish the passion of Dawson and the talent of Verts could have been combined. Loved Dawson, Benny to be fair used to give everything and he was from France so I don't see why our foreign contingent can be excused for being weak which is what they appear to be.
Yep Dawson may not have been the best but when AVB wanted to flog him to QPR and he refused and wanted to fight for his place that showed you all you needed to know about him
We all know the atmosphere has been close to shit for years now, and this is due to a number of reasons - being seated, poor on pitch performance and the change in the type of fan being just to name a few.
The club are shutting out a lot of young people that cant afford to attend games with today's prices - people that would make an awful lot of noise and are now consigned to the pub.
How do I know that? Step into any pub and youll find everyone singing (where I live anyway). These people should be at the games but are priced out.
International fans encouraged to come in, and some of them dont make noise, theyre just there as a tourist (btw I welcome anyone to the Lane), but that also contributes.
The club are shutting out a lot of young people that cant afford to attend games with today's prices - people that would make an awful lot of noise and are now consigned to the pub.
How do I know that? Step into any pub and youll find everyone singing (where I live anyway). These people should be at the games but are priced out.
International fans encouraged to come in, and some of them dont make noise, theyre just there as a tourist (btw I welcome anyone to the Lane), but that also contributes.
You're not wrong. As a relatively young Londoner the £35+ to watch substandard football every 2 weeks is a bit of a sacrifice. One I'm more than willing to make but a lot of other young football fans who are either a bit less fortunate or passionate just can't justify it.
I got my first season ticket on 1979 when I was 16. No problem affording it, even though I wasn't earning much. I really feel for the young blood that can't afford that these days and who missed out on the terrace experience.
On a sort of related issue. I find it interesting that pretty much every song at Tottenham is old.
In the 80s we regularly had new songs, which came and went but were often great - my favourite was the "we'll take more care of you, Archibald." Hearing that ring out, standing on the tunnel end at Wembley with about 50,000 Tottenham, was one of my great memories.
So, very little youth bringing energy and vim to the ground and little appetite for new songs.
Bit sad really.
On a sort of related issue. I find it interesting that pretty much every song at Tottenham is old.
In the 80s we regularly had new songs, which came and went but were often great - my favourite was the "we'll take more care of you, Archibald." Hearing that ring out, standing on the tunnel end at Wembley with about 50,000 Tottenham, was one of my great memories.
So, very little youth bringing energy and vim to the ground and little appetite for new songs.
Bit sad really.
Can we just nail this myth that any UK club owners/chairmen have EVER been in it for a love of the club or in solidarity with fans or as 'community assets', rather than as a means of making a quick buck? It's been this way since the dawn of professionalism.
Wale, Richardson, Scholar. 75,000 packing WHL in the days before Jimmy Hill campaigned for the abolition of the maximum wage. Where did that money go? Ground improvements? Reduced admission prices? Player wages? Not on your nelly. In the sky rocket pal.
This isn't a Spurs phenomenon either. Chelsea. Formed 1905 purely so the Mears family could realise the assets and get an income stream from the London Athletic Grounds at Stamford Bridge. The Goons. Moved from Woolwich so they could make more money.
The old fashioned 'community' clubs like Burnley. Owned and run by Bob Lord with an iron fist whilst living off the back of 50k paying schmucks every other week whilst paying players 10 Bob a week.
The list goes on....Edwards at United, Cearns at West Ham, Gregory at QPR, Noades at Palace, Hammam at Wimbledon, Clay at Fulham, the Moores family holding the Liverpool City duopoly etc...entrepreneurs of the 20's, 30's, 50's and 60's - the recent owners who demonstrated apparent largesse all still sold at a profit. Walker, Hall, Sinawatra, Franny Lee.....
Superficially we could talk about Levy being distant from the fans and milking us as customers. In reality it's never ever been any different for over 100 years.
Tiny examples of a different way exist (AFC Wimbledon, FC United, Brentford) but even they have suitors and one day, those numbers will outweigh socialist ideals. Darragh McAnthony came within a wafer of buying AFC Wimbledon before turning up at Peterborough for example.
It's not Germany, it's not the NFL, it's not the socios of Barcelona, it's not the Basque icon of Athletic. It's British football, the most defining statement of capitalism in action in the past century
Wale, Richardson, Scholar. 75,000 packing WHL in the days before Jimmy Hill campaigned for the abolition of the maximum wage. Where did that money go? Ground improvements? Reduced admission prices? Player wages? Not on your nelly. In the sky rocket pal.
This isn't a Spurs phenomenon either. Chelsea. Formed 1905 purely so the Mears family could realise the assets and get an income stream from the London Athletic Grounds at Stamford Bridge. The Goons. Moved from Woolwich so they could make more money.
The old fashioned 'community' clubs like Burnley. Owned and run by Bob Lord with an iron fist whilst living off the back of 50k paying schmucks every other week whilst paying players 10 Bob a week.
The list goes on....Edwards at United, Cearns at West Ham, Gregory at QPR, Noades at Palace, Hammam at Wimbledon, Clay at Fulham, the Moores family holding the Liverpool City duopoly etc...entrepreneurs of the 20's, 30's, 50's and 60's - the recent owners who demonstrated apparent largesse all still sold at a profit. Walker, Hall, Sinawatra, Franny Lee.....
Superficially we could talk about Levy being distant from the fans and milking us as customers. In reality it's never ever been any different for over 100 years.
Tiny examples of a different way exist (AFC Wimbledon, FC United, Brentford) but even they have suitors and one day, those numbers will outweigh socialist ideals. Darragh McAnthony came within a wafer of buying AFC Wimbledon before turning up at Peterborough for example.
It's not Germany, it's not the NFL, it's not the socios of Barcelona, it's not the Basque icon of Athletic. It's British football, the most defining statement of capitalism in action in the past century
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ENIC/ Levy/ Lewis have sucked dry every club they have owned . Like biblical
locusts they rip the soul off anything they touch . They are morally indefensible .
There legacy is pure greed .
"Reasons to be cheerful "
There would have never been a golden age in the 60's early 70's, early to mid 80's
If these parasites had controlled the club back then . No more Apologies .
locusts they rip the soul off anything they touch . They are morally indefensible .
There legacy is pure greed .
"Reasons to be cheerful "
There would have never been a golden age in the 60's early 70's, early to mid 80's
If these parasites had controlled the club back then . No more Apologies .
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I remember a few years back people were trying to get that going as a song for Berbatov but it never took off, probably not such a bad thing considering how that eventually turned out
Spot on mate. I'd sooner see characters like Dawson, trying their heart out and failing, than some "world class" unpredictable, disinterested diva going through the motions.
How much does an American Football game cost there? Per game/ Season ticket whatever ... whats the comparison?