I thought this would be the place I finally find out where the fuck Maribor are from. Zero effort.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NK_Maribor
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NK_Maribor
I sorry. I make problem. I leave.
think that's more of a rest JV and still have some1 with a bit of experience (Smith doesn't, at all, and I would be worried to have him playing along side Daws/Gallas atm
Hoping Gallas would have missed the plane for this Game
AVB has probably dropped Tiny Tom down the side of a sofa or summit... he'll turn up when it's meal-time, I'm sure!
Looking cohesive on the attack at the moment... Liking how involved Gylfi is.
At least anyone who thought Townsend should have started against Chelsea can forget that one, truly dreadful.
I can't understand some of the Spurs players out there. They want to play week in week out but when they get a chance, they play like this? Huddlestone has looked decent on the ball but he made absolutely no effort to tackle that bloke. We're getting big players like Sandro, Defoe, Lennon and Vertonghen to play 90mins and for what?
I have to say, I can understand why Harry played the teams we did last season in the competition if this is what we play like when we play a strong-ish team.
This team lost home and away to Birmingham last season. Fucking Birmingham
I can't understand some of the Spurs players out there. They want to play week in week out but when they get a chance, they play like this? Huddlestone has looked decent on the ball but he made absolutely no effort to tackle that bloke. We're getting big players like Sandro, Defoe, Lennon and Vertonghen to play 90mins and for what?
I have to say, I can understand why Harry played the teams we did last season in the competition if this is what we play like when we play a strong-ish team.
This team lost home and away to Birmingham last season. Fucking Birmingham
Id like to see the reaction if we played Carrol, Livermore, Smith, Parrot and Falque from the start (like Harry did and got slated for), and got murdered out there.
As you point out, it's better to judge AVB when he has a full squad.
And people still moaned about the team selection last season...
You are acting as if we were full strength, when in fact we were far from it. Who would have like to see play instead of Vertonghen?
Dawson pulled out with a migraine, and its better to rest Gallas. Naughton played LB, so who would you have played RB?
You think we'd have gotten shit from that game with Livermore and Hudd in the middle?
Or Dempsey up top on his own, with Sigg and Falque out wide instead of Lennon?
Defoe, Sandro, Lennon, Walker and Vertonghen were the players who maybe need a rest, but because of injuries we dont have that luxury.
Not really true, as its a total myth that we didnt rotate last season:
Alot is being said about the lack of squad rotation costing us. Which is odd, because during the season, tinkering, and changing the team was also blamed.
Now I remember an excellent bit of research done on another forum by a guy named elltrev, in regards to this issue, and have posted it below. I think the notion of not using the squad is being greatly exaggerated, and when you consider our injuries at certain times, and some the bench's we were forced to use, I think people are being unrealistic:
Wolves 2-0 > 4-4-2 > despite missing both Lennon and VDV. Niko played on the right, Ade and Defoe up top.
Liverpool 4-0 > 4-4-2 > this time VDV came on for Niko at half-time.
Wigan 2-1 > 4-4-1-1 > Ade up front, VDV behind him, Sandro and Parker in the middle, and Luka on the right.
Woolwich 2-1 > 4-4-2 > Ade and Defoe back up top, VDV on the right.
Newcastle 2-2 > 4-3-3 > Ade up top, VDV and Bale supporting, Livermore in with Luka and Parker.
> So 5 good results and performances on the trot, despite missing Lennon, playing 3 different systems, and playing Sandro and Parker together against Wigan (where we played some fantastic football).
Blackburn 2-1
QPR 3-1
Fulham 3-1
Villa 2-0
> For 4 games in a row we then played the 'classic' 4-4-1-1 - Lennon back on the right, Ade up top, VDV behind him, Luka and Parker in the middle. We dominated QPR and Villa, but were dominated by Blackburn and Fulham and arguably didn't deserve even draws, let alone wins.
West Brom 3-1 > 4-4-2 > Were missing VDV and Modric, so replaced them with Defoe and Sandro. An excellent away performance despite missing Luka and VDV, and playing Parker and Sandro together in the middle.
Bolton 3-0 > 4-4-2 > Luka came back in for Sandro. Cahill sent off after 15 minutes made this one easy at home against a relegation candidate.
Stoke 1-2 > 4-4-1-1 > Back to the 'classic'. Played well and didn't deserve to lose, but got Foyed.
Sunderland > 1-0. ? > Not sure what we played here. Bale was missing and was replaced with Sandro, suggesting a 4-3-3. Pav came on for Lennon though after 27 minutes. Parker, Sandro and Modric all started.
> Again, a mixture of formations and lineups. Lost the only game in which we played 'the classic', though we were robbed.
Chelsea 1-1 > 4-3-3 > Ade, Bale and VDV supported by Sandro, Parker and Modric. Lennon out again. Pav came on for VDV at half-time.
Norwich 2-0 > 4-3-3- > Same starting lineup as previous game. Dominated Norwich, as Bale began 'the roam'.
Swansea 1-1 > 4-3-3 > Same system again. Swansea were the better team.
> Played the same 4-3-3 system 3 games in a row, with mixed results.
West Brom 1-0 > 4-4-2 > a return to 4-4-2, as VDV shifted out to the right and Defoe came in for Parker. Comfortable win.
Everton 2-0 > 4-4-1-1 > Almost 'the classic' as Lennon was back, but Livermore and Modric started in the middle. As they did against Norwich... We were level with United at this point.
> 2 wins with 2 different formations and lineups.
Wolves 1-1 > 4-4-1-1 > 'The classic' was back as Parker replaced Livermore. Dropped points here, but absolutely dominated Wovles.
Man City 2-3 > 4-4-1-1 > 'The classic' again. Almost snatched the win, but ultimately got 0 points.
> 1 point out of 6 for 'the classic'.
Wigan 3-1 > ? > Again, not sure exactly what we did here. Niko came in for Lennon, I assume in a 4-4-1-1, but Livermore came on for Rafa after 30 minutes. A 4-3-3 with Niko and Bale supporting Ade? Either way, an easy win.
Liverpool 0-0 > 4-3-3? > Ade up top, Niko and Bale supporting, Livermore in with Luka and Parker in midfield. Quite a cautious, tense game. Not a bad result at the time.
Newcastle 5-0 > 4-4-2 > Memories..... Ade and Saha up top, Niko and Bale out wide, Luka and Parker in the middle.
3 good results with 3 different formations and lineups.
Woolwich.... Where the downward spiral arguably began.
What is the point of all this?
There seems to be a perception, admittedly that I also had, that for most of our good run we played consistently 4-4-1-1 with Luka, Parker, Bale, Lennon, VDV and Ade. But actually we only played it four times in a row, then once against Stoke, then twice in a row against Wolves and City. Out of those 7 games we won 4, lost 2, drew 1. And against Blackburn and Fulham we were by far the worse team.
We didn't play 'the classic' 16 times, and had 12 wins, 4 draws and 0 losses.
Missing Lennon and / or VDV, switching lineups and systems from game-to-game, playing Sandro and Parker together, playing Livermore and Modric together etc - were constantly happening throughout the season, when we were on such a high.
When results start to go wrong, everyone naturally starts to make arguments for why. And tactics / lineups etc is probably the easiest thing to blame it on. But I think the above shows that our lineups and formations in this dip aren't really very different to those during our great run.
With thanks to "elltrev"
Wait a minute. We weren't BAD. There were few answers up front, but you can't say that we didn't dominate that match.
There were a bunch of chances that might have gone our way on another day, and Maribor parked the bus on defense. Defoe didn't have a great game. I'll be excited to see Adebayor starting again.
Vertonghen and Caulker looked great. Huddlestone had a really good game, that whiffed tackle aside. Sig looked alright and didn't disappoint.
We didn't smash em, which may be seen as a disappointment, but we're still in decent position.
Lazio and Panathinaikos drew today, so every calm down.
edit: Sammy, those italics are obnoxious.
There were a bunch of chances that might have gone our way on another day, and Maribor parked the bus on defense. Defoe didn't have a great game. I'll be excited to see Adebayor starting again.
Vertonghen and Caulker looked great. Huddlestone had a really good game, that whiffed tackle aside. Sig looked alright and didn't disappoint.
We didn't smash em, which may be seen as a disappointment, but we're still in decent position.
Lazio and Panathinaikos drew today, so every calm down.
edit: Sammy, those italics are obnoxious.
Say what you will, his corners were still excellent, and Siggy's were shit while he was in charge of corners. I'd like one of our small guys to take the crosses, but if Huddlestone can keep lofting those beautiful crosses dead onto the penalty spot, then I'm perfectly happy for him to do it.
