Tommy, I get the distinct impression that you have a long standing issue with modern football babble speak and simply leapt on something you saw in my post.
I dont think Ive invented anything new, and I dont even think what I am talking about is fanciful - considering it is purely observation of what our managers have done, not an invention of my imagination.
Honestly I really believe you have misunderstood what I was saying or why. Perhaps that is my fault, perhaps you should read the posts with more care.
Broadly I agree with much of what you are saying, though I do certainly believe tactics and playing systems hold more sway than you seem to. Its how teams like Bolton and Stoke become successful beyond their station and often what separates the very top teams in the biggest games.
The first game we beat Woolwich at home Redknapp most certainly outsmarted Wenger tactically, and that was by sitting deep and allowing them into certain areas, then breaking into the situation behind them that created.
That Woolwich team in particular didnt have anything like traditional wing play, all their attacking was virtually down the centre. Most often trying to play clever 1-2s and flicks to work their way through.
We set deep defensive lines, packing the centre. This forced Woolwich wide where they were basically ineffectual and as soon as we won the ball we had pace in Bale, Lennon and Defoe (as well as speed of thought in the ball being played to them) to really hurt them on the break.
As I said, they finished with something like 60% possession and were never even in the game, Harry snookered them completely.
Carlito was being hammered for his feelings on where we might press or defend, I raised this game as an example of what I believed his POV to be. Its a good example, IMO. Thats not to say I am promoting we do that every game, or even that it is my personal preference.
As to AVBs teasing the opposition, I provided the quote. His term was "provoke", so my memory betrayed me somehwat but the meaning is intact.
He has gone to length in the past to explain that essentially he likes players to invite pressure to create space that can be exploited.
As a team we are very good (and were so under Harry) at forcing teams to retreat and park the bus, dominate possession completely. We are (and were) very poor at converting that into meaningful chances. If AVBs tactics work in drawing opponents out of their two banks of four so that we can exploit the space that creates then fantastic. I think it is risky, as if they get the jump on us we are looking bare at the back, but if it works I think it will be a wonder to watch.
Again, I dont think this is something new, all I have done is simply express what AVB has said in interviews as it was (I felt) relevant to the discussion.
I do not believe I have reinvented the wheel, I dont think that by using terms like "pressing" I have invented a tactical master plan and I do not believe a tactical system is the be all and end all of winning a game.
I do believe all I have done is spoken about football as seemed relevant to the discussion.
I do believe tactics play a big part in a teams success, though of course not that that is anything new.
I do believe you have jumped in with both feet here on a misunderstanding of what I was saying/was trying to say.
And yes, my posts can get very lengthly, sometimes its necessary in order to make my point as well as I can.
I dont think Ive invented anything new, and I dont even think what I am talking about is fanciful - considering it is purely observation of what our managers have done, not an invention of my imagination.
Honestly I really believe you have misunderstood what I was saying or why. Perhaps that is my fault, perhaps you should read the posts with more care.
Broadly I agree with much of what you are saying, though I do certainly believe tactics and playing systems hold more sway than you seem to. Its how teams like Bolton and Stoke become successful beyond their station and often what separates the very top teams in the biggest games.
The first game we beat Woolwich at home Redknapp most certainly outsmarted Wenger tactically, and that was by sitting deep and allowing them into certain areas, then breaking into the situation behind them that created.
That Woolwich team in particular didnt have anything like traditional wing play, all their attacking was virtually down the centre. Most often trying to play clever 1-2s and flicks to work their way through.
We set deep defensive lines, packing the centre. This forced Woolwich wide where they were basically ineffectual and as soon as we won the ball we had pace in Bale, Lennon and Defoe (as well as speed of thought in the ball being played to them) to really hurt them on the break.
As I said, they finished with something like 60% possession and were never even in the game, Harry snookered them completely.
Carlito was being hammered for his feelings on where we might press or defend, I raised this game as an example of what I believed his POV to be. Its a good example, IMO. Thats not to say I am promoting we do that every game, or even that it is my personal preference.
As to AVBs teasing the opposition, I provided the quote. His term was "provoke", so my memory betrayed me somehwat but the meaning is intact.
He has gone to length in the past to explain that essentially he likes players to invite pressure to create space that can be exploited.
As a team we are very good (and were so under Harry) at forcing teams to retreat and park the bus, dominate possession completely. We are (and were) very poor at converting that into meaningful chances. If AVBs tactics work in drawing opponents out of their two banks of four so that we can exploit the space that creates then fantastic. I think it is risky, as if they get the jump on us we are looking bare at the back, but if it works I think it will be a wonder to watch.
Again, I dont think this is something new, all I have done is simply express what AVB has said in interviews as it was (I felt) relevant to the discussion.
I do not believe I have reinvented the wheel, I dont think that by using terms like "pressing" I have invented a tactical master plan and I do not believe a tactical system is the be all and end all of winning a game.
I do believe all I have done is spoken about football as seemed relevant to the discussion.
I do believe tactics play a big part in a teams success, though of course not that that is anything new.
I do believe you have jumped in with both feet here on a misunderstanding of what I was saying/was trying to say.
And yes, my posts can get very lengthly, sometimes its necessary in order to make my point as well as I can.