Juande Ramos Dishes Out the Home Truths

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Reading the OP again I’m almost loving Ramos just for this quote on Bent…

“So we were left with Bent... We couldn't beat anyone. We couldn't have scored if we'd used a rainbow as the goalposts.”

:dierno: :ange-lol:

I’m still not over that miss vs Pompey - useless fat c****.
 
"Who got married?" Juande Ramos looks back on his first days asTottenham Hotspur manager and cannot help but smile. When he and his staff walked into the dining room at Spurs' training ground, they could hardly believe it. "Incredible," he says, shaking his head. "It was like a wedding buffet. Cakes, pastries, sauces – and that was what they ate regularly." The Spaniard leans forward and says softly, if a little mischievously: "Honestly, and I say this with no bitterness at all, there were players who were … well, fat." Then he laughs and adds: "They were sedentary."
Haven't looked at this thread in ages.

Poor Tanguy, talk about a man born too late!

:ange-snarl:
 
Pav and Bent 29m or Eto 27m?


Tottenham Hotspur's hopes of signing Samuel Eto'o appear doomed to failure as the Barcelona striker is earning £128,000 a week – after tax. Spurs chairman Daniel Levy is prepared to fly out to Spain to try to broker the deal and although the Premier League club believe they can cope with the transfer fee, and hope to negotiate Barça down from the £27m they are currently demanding, Eto's wages are prohibitive.

Barça are set for a summer of upheaval following the imminent departure of coach Frank Rijkaard with a clear-out of the squad planned. Eto'o has come close to leaving in the past but now it appears that he is one of the big names – along with Ronaldinho and Deco – who can go.


Barça are attempting to drum up interest in Eto'o, with the Italian giants Milan and Internazionale linked with a move while agents are contacting Chelsea to see if they want to buy the Cameroonian. Manchester United were keen last summer but are less so after the striker's indifferent season and injury concerns.


Eto'o is a notoriously difficult character to negotiate with and is renowned for changing his mind, but this week he talked up the merits of the Premier League. Even though they cannot offer Champions League football, Spurs had hoped to steal a march on their rivals. But although they are willing to smash their wage structure, and are working on ways to fund the deal through the sale of Dimitar Berbatov to a European club – they do not want the Bulgarian to stay in England if he leaves White Hart Lane – the news that Eto'o is paid €8m (£6.6m) a year net of tax will stun them.

Spurs are monitoring a number of Spanish-based strikers including Diego Milito of Real Zaragoza and Valencia's David Villa, which is no surprise given the nationality of their head coach, Juande Ramos. A more realistic target is another Barça striker, Giovani Dos Santos. The 19-year-old Mexican is meeting with his agent, Pini Zahavi, next week to discuss his future. The player's father has said that Manchester City are favourites to sign Giovani, who would cost around €10m (£7.8m) although there is also interest from Chelsea. Given the changes at Barça it may be that he remains at the Nou Camp or is allowed to go out on a season-long loan.

It is likely to be a busy summer for Spurs under Ramos, who is keen to overhaul the squad he inherited from Martin Jol and has already signed Luka Modric for £16m. A priority remains a new goalkeeper, with Paul Robinson likely to be sold, although the Brazilian club Cruzeiro has claimed that they rejected a bid for their striker Marcelo Moreno. However if Spurs increase their offer for the 20-year-old Bolivian – currently €6m (£5m) – it is likely to succeed.


Spurs are also likely to face a compensation battle with Crystal Palace over midfielder John Bostock. The 16-year-old has decided to move to Spurs but Palace's assistant manager Mick Jones insisted that he "can't come cheap".

We were paying Berbatov £60k a week. Before tax.

Just a waste of everyone’s time even taking to eto’o. Can only imagine Levy wanted a weekend in Barcelona.
 
Pav and Bent 29m or Eto 27m?


Tottenham Hotspur's hopes of signing Samuel Eto'o appear doomed to failure as the Barcelona striker is earning £128,000 a week – after tax. Spurs chairman Daniel Levy is prepared to fly out to Spain to try to broker the deal and although the Premier League club believe they can cope with the transfer fee, and hope to negotiate Barça down from the £27m they are currently demanding, Eto's wages are prohibitive.

Barça are set for a summer of upheaval following the imminent departure of coach Frank Rijkaard with a clear-out of the squad planned. Eto'o has come close to leaving in the past but now it appears that he is one of the big names – along with Ronaldinho and Deco – who can go.


Barça are attempting to drum up interest in Eto'o, with the Italian giants Milan and Internazionale linked with a move while agents are contacting Chelsea to see if they want to buy the Cameroonian. Manchester United were keen last summer but are less so after the striker's indifferent season and injury concerns.


Eto'o is a notoriously difficult character to negotiate with and is renowned for changing his mind, but this week he talked up the merits of the Premier League. Even though they cannot offer Champions League football, Spurs had hoped to steal a march on their rivals. But although they are willing to smash their wage structure, and are working on ways to fund the deal through the sale of Dimitar Berbatov to a European club – they do not want the Bulgarian to stay in England if he leaves White Hart Lane – the news that Eto'o is paid €8m (£6.6m) a year net of tax will stun them.

Spurs are monitoring a number of Spanish-based strikers including Diego Milito of Real Zaragoza and Valencia's David Villa, which is no surprise given the nationality of their head coach, Juande Ramos. A more realistic target is another Barça striker, Giovani Dos Santos. The 19-year-old Mexican is meeting with his agent, Pini Zahavi, next week to discuss his future. The player's father has said that Manchester City are favourites to sign Giovani, who would cost around €10m (£7.8m) although there is also interest from Chelsea. Given the changes at Barça it may be that he remains at the Nou Camp or is allowed to go out on a season-long loan.

It is likely to be a busy summer for Spurs under Ramos, who is keen to overhaul the squad he inherited from Martin Jol and has already signed Luka Modric for £16m. A priority remains a new goalkeeper, with Paul Robinson likely to be sold, although the Brazilian club Cruzeiro has claimed that they rejected a bid for their striker Marcelo Moreno. However if Spurs increase their offer for the 20-year-old Bolivian – currently €6m (£5m) – it is likely to succeed.


Spurs are also likely to face a compensation battle with Crystal Palace over midfielder John Bostock. The 16-year-old has decided to move to Spurs but Palace's assistant manager Mick Jones insisted that he "can't come cheap".

Not surprising.... £128kpw AFTER tax was huge money back them.
 
That's true we should go for Mbappe next year because he's a proven world class talent as well.
Difference is Mbappe is not open to the possibility of coming to us, plus we can't afford his wages.
But if there was even a hint of a possibility, fuck yeah, who wouldn't love to have him.
 
Difference is Mbappe is not open to the possibility of coming to us, plus we can't afford his wages.
But if there was even a hint of a possibility, fuck yeah, who wouldn't love to have him.

As if Eto'o was open to coming to us and as if we could pay his wages lol
 
As if Eto'o was open to coming to us and as if we could pay his wages lol
The fee was affordable 27m and the wages £6,656,000 annual, we could afford that.
If we made that bid and he didn't want to come, then fair enough, but we didn't even try. I mean we sold the two best players at the club at the last minute who helped us win are only trophy and instead of replacing them with quality, replaced them with shite. We hired an ambitious, trophy winning manager and in fact tried to hire him when Jol got fifth, so we were obviously expecting Ramos to take us into the CL. It's surely logical that he would expect to get the best quality players he can to help us to get there, not Campbell, Pav and Bent all of which were proven not to be good enough and replaced.
 
The fee was affordable 27m and the wages £6,656,000 annual, we could afford that.
If we made that bid and he didn't want to come, then fair enough, but we didn't even try. I mean we sold the two best players at the club at the last minute who helped us win are only trophy and instead of replacing them with quality, replaced them with shite. We hired an ambitious, trophy winning manager and in fact tried to hire him when Jol got fifth, so we were obviously expecting Ramos to take us into the CL. It's surely logical that he would expect to get the best quality players he can to help us to get there, not Campbell, Pav and Bent all of which were proven not to be good enough and replaced.

The wages weren't affordable, that's the point - do you think we were some mega team who could throw wages around at the time?

He ended up going to Inter who won their league the season before and was managed by Jose, then he went onto winning the CL the following season, that was our competition.

You need to get off cloud cuckoo land if you ever thought we had a cat's hell in chance of signing him, you're just as deluded as Ramos was.
 
Pretty much every manager Levy has employed has had a dig at some point, haven't they. It's a trend that the Levy fan club seem determined to either turn a blind eye to, or, as a final defence mechanism, diss all the managers in question.

Poch, Ramons, Mourinho, AVB, Conte, Santini (who walked after a handful of games......The list is endless

I think I'd trust the word of those who have worked closely with him and seen it from the inside over a handful of weirdos desperately spending their lives shielding him on this forum 🫤
 
The wages weren't affordable, that's the point - do you think we were some mega team who could throw wages around at the time?

He ended up going to Inter who won their league the season before and was managed by Jose, then he went onto winning the CL the following season, that was our competition.

You need to get off cloud cuckoo land if you ever thought we had a cat's hell in chance of signing him, you're just as deluded as Ramos was.
If we didn't have Bent, Pav and Bentley stealing a living then it was certainly affordable. Ramos wasn't deluded because he was led to believe that we were an ambitious club

Juande Ramos was earning 6million a season


On 27 October 2007, Juande Ramos put pen to paper on an eye-watering £6m per season four-year contract to coach Tottenham Hotspur.


So we COULD afford Eto's wages. If we weren't prepared to even try to match his ambition then we shouldn't have unstabilized the club when Jol took us to 5th. By trying to get Ramos that time, ENIC were saying 5th is not good enough, we want to be in the CL and that's where the best players in the world play like Eto.
 
Pretty much every manager Levy has employed has had a dig at some point, haven't they. It's a trend that the Levy fan club seem determined to either turn a blind eye to, or, as a final defence mechanism, diss all the managers in question.

Poch, Ramons, Mourinho, AVB, Conte, Santini (who walked after a handful of games......The list is endless

I think I'd trust the word of those who have worked closely with him and seen it from the inside over a handful of weirdos desperately spending their lives shielding him on this forum 🫤
I just don't understand how someone could think ALL these managers are bitter liars and Levy is the one telling the truth, it defies logic.
 
If we didn't have Bent, Pav and Bentley stealing a living then it was certainly affordable. Ramos wasn't deluded because he was led to believe that we were an ambitious club

Juande Ramos was earning 6million a season


On 27 October 2007, Juande Ramos put pen to paper on an eye-watering £6m per season four-year contract to coach Tottenham Hotspur.


So we COULD afford Eto's wages. If we weren't prepared to even try to match his ambition then we shouldn't have unstabilized the club when Jol took us to 5th. By trying to get Ramos that time, ENIC were saying 5th is not good enough, we want to be in the CL and that's where the best players in the world play like Eto.

Ramos was hired because we wanted him to do the exact same thing that he did at Sevilla, they had Monchi, we had Commoli. If he is saying that we didn't support him because he asked for World Class players then more fool him because his remit would have been outlined to him before we hired him. He was never a cheque book manager and we were never a cheque book club so I don't know what the fek this revisionism is about.

Also a manager a wage is vastly different to playing a player a wage because when you give a player a hefty wage other players catch wind of it and ask for increases because they know the club is paying money, so yeah we could afford Eto'o's wages but we wouldn't have been able to sustain the wage bill back then, we just didn't have the revenue for it.

It ended up being a shit appointment but the club had the right idea in changing direction, it was as per usual poorly executed by Levy.
 
Pretty much every manager Levy has employed has had a dig at some point, haven't they. It's a trend that the Levy fan club seem determined to either turn a blind eye to, or, as a final defence mechanism, diss all the managers in question.

Poch, Ramons, Mourinho, AVB, Conte, Santini (who walked after a handful of games......The list is endless

I think I'd trust the word of those who have worked closely with him and seen it from the inside over a handful of weirdos desperately spending their lives shielding him on this forum 🫤

Folk who's been sacked from their jobs in not being complementary about their bosses shocker. :levywhoa:
 
Ramos was hired because we wanted him to do the exact same thing that he did at Sevilla, they had Monchi, we had Commoli. If he is saying that we didn't support him because he asked for World Class players then more fool him because his remit would have been outlined to him before we hired him. He was never a cheque book manager and we were never a cheque book club so I don't know what the fek this revisionism is about.

Also a manager a wage is vastly different to playing a player a wage because when you give a player a hefty wage other players catch wind of it and ask for increases because they know the club is paying money, so yeah we could afford Eto'o's wages but we wouldn't have been able to sustain the wage bill back then, we just didn't have the revenue for it.

It ended up being a shit appointment but the club had the right idea in changing direction, it was as per usual poorly executed by Levy.
Also Ramos was phoning it in, he was in Spain and only interested in the Uefa cup.

Not sure we wanted to support him that much even at that early stage
 
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