This would give me a natural high beyond what any psychedelic drug can give.
-
The Fighting Cock is a forum for fans of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Here you can discuss Spurs latest matches, our squad, tactics and any transfer news surrounding the club. Registration gives you access to all our forums (including 'Off Topic' discussion) and removes most of the adverts (you can remove them all via an account upgrade). You're here now, you might as well...
Latest Spurs videos from Sky Sports
Stretch to assume a method to the madness and that there is a "proper football structure" in place. Just as much data to suggest it's a stopped clock as it is intentional...the Brennan Johnson instead of a CB in the summer will be a pesky matter to deal with. Also, 4th coach since the massive cockup of late-Poch...no need for the rush to award credit IMO.
I'd love it
When this forum was started most of the league was still playing 4-4-2 and a high defensive line was widely agreed to be naive and incompatible with the Premier League. The league was still firmly entrenched in a low-block defense typified by Mourinho's Chelsea and John Terry.
English clubs were also at a low-ebb in terms of their recent performances in Europe. I used to ask "if English football so complete counters and undermines the high defensive-line, why are Spanish and continental teams in general routinely embarrassing English teams in Europe?" I wouldn't ever get a satisfactory response to that question.
Barring Chelsea all of those results are fine, decent even. Man Utd were and still are in a mess, it wasnt like he was walking into a club that had just won the quadruple. He got them second and won them 2 trophies including a european cup, their best run since Ferguson. They are worse under Ten Hagg. He ended Romas 14 year trophy drought and got them to 2 european finals and narrowly lost a europa league final on penalties. Being 8th means nothing as they are only 5 points off top 4.
As for Spurs, we already know the problems at this club and you can hardly put that down to Mourinho in his short tenure, and he did get us to a final.
So all in all despite all the over the top critisism aboit him being a done manager and a dinosaur, the clubs are about where they usually are, except with trophies.
You're being very very charitable. The sophistry about "well that position is only about X points of 3rd 2nd 5th"...that's if my granny had balls territory. The issue about all of those league finishes Spurs United Roma was qualitative, it was about the football being played. It was awful, slow, cowardly, blunt and wretched. Time waits for no man and his football is horribly ineffective and dated. I am amazed even his most slavish devotees can still muster a defence.
Well you cant just say he finished 8th. This is disingenuous. Its barely halfway through the season. None of those results standout as omg so bad.. the clubs finished exactly where they were meant to be. his football was no worse than Contes, infact contes was worse, and he had the benefit of a better window. No manager was going to come in after pochettino and win us the league lets be honest. We were in complete shambles. we still arent even out of the woods yet, so its hard to judge mourinho past his actual playing style which is down to the viewers opinion. Some would say he had Kane and Son firing on all cylinders. Whos to say that he wasnt just playing the most appropriate style at the time with the tools that he had.
He joined Utd at a time when they still thought they were the big dogs of the league and expected Mourinho to walk the league despite mourinhos warnings to the club and they didnt listen. 6 years later and what have Utd achieved? Theyve gone even further backwards.
Again. The best spell for utd since SAF and a european trophy.
2 european finals for Roma and an end to their 14 year trophy draught.
6th place finishes for Spurs which is normal considering where we was as a club and a cup final.
All whilst only being at them for a max of 2 seasons.
He needs to go to a stable club and be given time. But Jose is a victim of his own success and clubs expect instant wins.
Say what you want but bar Spurs hes still managed to win trophies anywhere hes gone.
His most loyal devotees.... I think you are generous to fault. And the central pillar of you argument seems to be you can't blame the 'Special one' those teams finished where they were supposed to. Remind me what exactly then was he picking up between 8 million and 15 million euros a year for? Seen as it was all so preordained with those league finishes.
Roma haven’t finished lower than 7th since 2004 and since then have finished 2nd 7 times and 3rd twice. Before Mourinho was hired, the longest stretch outside a top 3 finish was 3 years, which Mourinho also accomplished in his 3 seasons.
Tottenham’s 7th place finish was the worst since 2008 before last season. His 6th place finish was worse than 9 of the previous 10 seasons and that other season was also 6th place but with 10 more points. His league cup final involved beating no PL teams… a “win” at home to Chelsea after 90 minute penalties was the most impressive result.
With United, he finished 6th twice… they’ve had 1 lower finish (13/14) in 30+ years. Even since SAF retired, they’ve finished above 6th in 6 out of 10 seasons. But with Jose, just 1 of 3. His 2nd place season was good but nowhere near (-19 points) the title race. The Europa league was the easiest knockout run I’ve ever seen. The league cup win he played hull city in the SF and Southampton in the final (they beat city at home early on to be fair).
So basically no, it’s not what’s to be expected at these clubs. It was a well below average league finish at each club.
I think there is a place for different styles of play in the Premier League. The question is whether there is a team that is both ambitious enough and possessing a roster that could effectively play Mourinho's brand of football. The universe of those teams is pretty small. I don't see Chelsea making a move, they are showing some signs of life. Newcastle makes sense but management may feel its more a matter of the injuries rather then Howe that has kept them back. Man United could be a decent fit, but they have been really patient with Ten Hag and I don't think that will change during the season. West Ham will never back a manager to the extent Mourinho demands. Probably best to take a TV job for the rest of the year wait to see what jobs come open. Love him or hate him he does make things interesting.
Conte'd football post Burnley in his first season was on the whole very, very good. We looked every inch a team able to go toe to toe with the best. Most importantly it was highly watchable. The dinosaur NEVER delivered watchable football. This includes us beating Man U 1-6 and 5 something against Southampton (both of these games we weren't that good, it certainly wasn't "good football" in fact in the Southampton game they kept pressing us and winning the ball back high up the pitch, they lacked a Harry Kane, Son up top, all we did was hit a ball over their ridiculously high line.
But make no mistake we were nothing short of diabolical under Jose, he absolutely would have been sacked in his FIRST season were it not for COVID. He then avoided being sacked again as we locked down a 2nd time and games played with no fans. He was SHIT. His football was SHIT.
Conte's was shit for basically the entire 2nd season, terrible unwatchable shit but for half a season we were on form and on the eye test one of the best sides in the division. Ther was a lot of optimism for his second season because of this.
See mourinho got sacked again. Getting to stage now everytime hes interviewed Jurassic park theme is played in background. A dinosaur. 
In fairness to him I never got the impression he was doing us a favour like conte did.
Ryan Mason bounce
Ole bounce
Hiddink bounce
Avram Grant bounce