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I would actually argue with you and say that it takes an even better player to shine at international level. At club level the whole team has a system, and national teams are more or less thrown together and given a couple training sessions. Takes real individual skill to grab a game and make it your bitch internationally.I would actually argue that 'international football' is a level lower than the highest club competition perhaps even the best league competitions as well. The pace is incredibly slow, and far too many teams play to not lose in stead of playing to win
I would actually argue that 'international football' is a level lower than the highest club competition perhaps even the best league competitions as well. The pace is incredibly slow, and far too many teams play to not lose in stead of playing to win
So because the rest of your TEAM in a TEAMSPORT is shite you shouldn't be allowed to be called world class? players that single handedly get a team to trophies are not only world class, they are legends of the sport, which is why we still talk about them decades after they stopped playing and even after deathYou're reaching. How many teams have spurs played this season who have set out not to lose? What about Chelsea going all the way in the CL with the Double Decker bus formation?
International football is tougher becuase there is no one bankrolling teams. Your teammates are selected by nationality, not by money from Oil or advertising.
Pele scoring 6 goals in 4 games at a World Cup...at age 17 was pretty cool.I would say that Bale is world class.
I don't think Messi is the best player ever, yet anyway.
To me Pele still takes that crown. What he did over such a long period was simply immense.
It's almost impossible now for Messi to match Pele's achievements on the international stage. But Pele's club achievements were awesome too.
the games where Santos beat Benfica in the world club championship, home and away are simply stunning, for example. I think the aggregate score is 8-4. Well worth a You Tube I can tell you.
Neither Lloris or Bale would get into Madrid's side. Bale wouldn't get into Barca's and Lloris wouldn't get into Bayern's either.
I think you can think of it in two ways, the level of football, and the level of glory. At the end of the day, I still believe that winning the WC is the pinnacle of success in football.I would actually argue that 'international football' is a level lower than the highest club competition perhaps even the best league competitions as well. The pace is incredibly slow, and far too many teams play to not lose in stead of playing to win
I agree it's the most coveted throphy, as it's only held every four years and pretty much impossible to win for most players. Glory wise as you say nothing beats winning the world cup. Level of football on show... ugh, for the most part I just fall asleep...I think you can think of it in two ways, the level of football, and the level of glory. At the end of the day, I still believe that winning the WC is the pinnacle of success in football.
So in a much more realistic way, world class = best in their position in the world?Let say, hypothetically speaking, Mars had a football team
My idea of world class is:
At any given moment, if we needed to send a Team from earth (This "World") to play against them, who would you choose and for me atm Bale would be in it.
I said in one of the 38 other "world class" threads that if you had to make 2/3 world XIs those players are world class.So in a much more realistic way, world class = best in their position in the world?
And occasionally lost his rag, the old mad fool!Mr Dykes? As in a chap who wore glasses and taught science?