Heung-Min Son (손흥민)

[RomanzoCriminale]

Youre a dick and a retard. I've demonstrated that to everyone, all you are left with is lies. Which anyone that cares to read our exchange can see

Calling someone a 'retard' says everything about you - you insufferable, hateful (and very boring) CUNT

 

[The Multi]

Calling someone a 'retard' says everything about you - you insufferable, hateful (and very boring) CUNT

Stop derailing the thread, you junkie

 

[TimothéeAtouba]

Ha ha, you're so deluded. The Koreans were perfectly content with Japan when their PM apologised. It's only now they have a new prime minister in there are issues. I've never heard such bollocks in all my life. The hatred in Korea is so deep no apology could ever overcome it, even though they let them have Takeshima

And regarding your post.

I know a bit about the modern history between Korea and Japan (that international relations course at uni has turned out to be useful!) and the Japanese governments have never sincerely apologised to Korea. Whatever they have said were always followed up by falsification in their textbooks about their past history and their continuous visits to pay tribute to their war criminals at the Yasukuni shrine. It’s like Merkel visiting the graves of Hitler and Himmler every year and still teaching history from the Nazi perspective at school.

The post war compensation between Korea and Japan was arranged and paid while Korea was ruled by a dictator who used it for self serving interests at a massive discount - Japan’s post war compensation arrangement with that government is comparable to doing a bank transaction with a criminal organisation.

Which ever way you put it, Japan did something very wrong and they got away with doing very little to make up for it. In comparison to what Germany went through, it is a travesty. It’s no surprise that Koreans are seriously pissed off. Those victims of the past are still alive.

Seen from our experiences where Germany was made to go through de-Nazification, the Koreans have every right to still have grieviences.

 

[Taz1004]

Stop derailing the thread, you junkie

LMAO, you even brought up Takeshima and pretends you're not the main one derailing this thread? Read back, you are the biggest troll.

 

[TimothéeAtouba]

Anyway, I’ll stop posting here on the matter, let’s talk about football again please!

 

[The Multi]

LMAO, you even brought up Takeshima and pretends you're not the main one derailing this thread? Read back, you are the biggest troll.

Are you the racist one or the other one? I'm struggling to keep up

 

[The Multi]

And regarding your post.

I know a bit about the modern history between Korea and Japan (that international relations course at uni has turned out to be useful!) and the Japanese governments have never sincerely apologised to Korea. Whatever they have said were always followed up by falsification in their textbooks about their past history and their continuous visits to pay tribute to their war criminals at the Yasukuni shrine. It’s like Merkel visiting the graves of Hitler and Himmler every year and still teaching history from the Nazi perspective at school.

The post war compensation between Korea and Japan was arranged and paid while Korea was ruled by a dictator who used it for self serving interests at a massive discount - Japan’s post war compensation arrangement with that government is comparable to doing a bank transaction with a criminal organisation.

Which ever way you put it, Japan did something very wrong and they got away with doing very little to make up for it. In comparison to what Germany went through, it is a travesty. It’s no surprise that Koreans are seriously pissed off. Those victims of the past are still alive.

Seen from our experiences where Germany was made to go through de-Nazification, the Koreans have every right to still have grieviences.

As I've stated above, no apology would ever be enough. Their troops left almost 75 years ago. I don't hold it against the Germans (neither i nor the vast majority of them were even born), so neither should the Koreans.

 

[Col_McCafferty]

General Douglas MacArthur agreed (pg. 65, 70-71):

MacArthur’s views about the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were starkly different from what the general public supposed …. When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor.

Moreover (pg. 512):

The Potsdam declaration in July, demand[ed] that Japan surrender unconditionally or face ‘prompt and utter destruction.’ MacArthur was appalled. He knew that the Japanese would never renounce their emperor, and that without him an orderly transition to peace would be impossible anyhow, because his people would never submit to Allied occupation unless he ordered it. Ironically, when the surrender did come, it was conditional, and the condition was a continuation of the imperial reign. Had the General’s advice been followed, the resort to atomic weapons at Hiroshima and Nagasaki might have been unnecessary.

Similarly, Assistant Secretary of War John McLoy noted (pg. 500):

I have always felt that if, in our ultimatum to the Japanese government issued from Potsdam [in July 1945], we had referred to the retention of the emperor as a constitutional monarch and had made some reference to the reasonable accessibility of raw materials to the future Japanese government, it would have been accepted. Indeed, I believe that even in the form it was delivered, there was some disposition on the part of the Japanese to give it favorable consideration. When the war was over I arrived at this conclusion after talking with a number of Japanese officials who had been closely associated with the decision of the then Japanese government, to reject the ultimatum, as it was presented. I believe we missed the opportunity of effecting a Japanese surrender, completely satisfactory to us, without the necessity of dropping the bombs.

Under Secretary of the Navy Ralph Bird said:

I think that the Japanese were ready for peace, and they already had approached the Russians and, I think, the Swiss. And that suggestion of [giving] a warning [of the atomic bomb] was a face-saving proposition for them, and one that they could have readily accepted.

***

In my opinion, the Japanese war was really won before we ever used the atom bomb. Thus, it wouldn’t have been necessary for us to disclose our nuclear position and stimulate the Russians to develop the same thing much more rapidly than they would have if we had not dropped the bomb.

War Was Really Won Before We Used A-Bomb, U.S. News and World Report, 8/15/60, pg. 73-75.

He also noted (pg. 144-145, 324):

It definitely seemed to me that the Japanese were becoming weaker and weaker. They were surrounded by the Navy. They couldn’t get any imports and they couldn’t export anything. Naturally, as time went on and the war developed in our favor it was quite logical to hope and expect that with the proper kind of a warning the Japanese would then be in a position to make peace, which would have made it unnecessary for us to drop the bomb and have had to bring Russia in.

General Curtis LeMay, the tough cigar-smoking Army Air Force “hawk,” stated publicly shortly before the nuclear bombs were dropped on Japan:

The war would have been over in two weeks. . . . The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.

The Vice Chairman of the U.S. Bombing Survey Paul Nitze wrote (pg. 36-37, 44-45):

concluded that even without the atomic bomb, Japan was likely to surrender in a matter of months. My own view was that Japan would capitulate by November 1945.

***

Even without the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it seemed highly unlikely, given what we found to have been the mood of the Japanese government, that a U.S. invasion of the islands [scheduled for November 1, 1945] would have been necessary.

Deputy Director of the Office of Naval Intelligence Ellis Zacharias wrote:

Just when the Japanese were ready to capitulate, we went ahead and introduced to the world the most devastating weapon it had ever seen and, in effect, gave the go-ahead to Russia to swarm over Eastern Asia.

Washington decided that Japan had been given its chance and now it was time to use the A-bomb.

I submit that it was the wrong decision. It was wrong on strategic grounds. And it was wrong on humanitarian grounds.

Ellis Zacharias, How We Bungled the Japanese Surrender, Look, 6/6/50, pg. 19-21.

Brigadier General Carter Clarke – the military intelligence officer in charge of preparing summaries of intercepted Japanese cables for President Truman and his advisors – said (pg. 359):

When we didn’t need to do it, and we knew we didn’t need to do it, and they knew that we knew we didn’t need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs.

Many other high-level military officers concurred. For example:

The commander in chief of the U.S. Fleet and Chief of Naval Operations, Ernest J. King, stated that the naval blockade and prior bombing of Japan in March of 1945, had rendered the Japanese helpless and that the use of the atomic bomb was both unnecessary and immoral. Also, the opinion of Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz was reported to have said in a press conference on September 22, 1945, that “The Admiral took the opportunity of adding his voice to those insisting that Japan had been defeated before the atomic bombing and Russia’s entry into the war.” In a subsequent speech at the Washington Monument on October 5, 1945, Admiral Nimitz stated “The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace before the atomic age was announced to the world with the destruction of Hiroshima and before the Russian entry into the war.” It was learned also that on or about July 20, 1945, General Eisenhower had urged Truman, in a personal visit, not to use the atomic bomb. Eisenhower’s assessment was “It wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing . . . to use the atomic bomb, to kill and terrorize civilians, without even attempting [negotiations], was a double crime.” Eisenhower also stated that it wasn’t necessary for Truman to “succumb” to [the tiny handful of people putting pressure on the president to drop atom bombs on Japan.]

British officers were of the same mind. For example, General Sir Hastings Ismay, Chief of Staff to the British Minister of Defence, said to Prime Minister Churchill that “when Russia came into the war against Japan, the Japanese would probably wish to get out on almost any terms short of the dethronement of the Emperor.”

On hearing that the atomic test was successful, Ismay’s private reaction was one of “revulsion.”

The Real Reason America Used Nuclear Weapons Against Japan. It Was Not To End the War Or Save Lives. - Global Research

Good night and good luck.

Simplify, man.

 

[SpurFromOz]

Simplify, man.

Sorry mate, I just referred to historical notes on why the atomic bombing of hiroshima and Nagasaki were not needed, and those quotes are not from the Japanese side. The day we justify dropping nukes as a means to an end will be catastrophic. I will leave it at that.

If I have derailed this thread in any manner, it has been as a result of accusations levied against a country hacking our Sonny's vids, with no evidence. It led to a debate outside the sphere of football but I wont apologise for correcting the record, asking for evidence and so forth.

Hopefully, we can revert to football talk and the great asset we have in Son.

 

[Miami Vice]

Ok, seriously, back to football.

Son is in incredible form. He is going to rape the Burnley back line like a Japanese war criminal in China.

Inappropriate?

 

[Airfixx]

Ok, seriously, back to football.

Son is in incredible form. He is going to rape the Burnley back line like a Japanese war criminal in China.

Inappropriate?

You tell us. It's a SELF moderated forum afterall.

 

[Luvf]

Even the short history of Sons 4 year tenure here gets side spinned so many ways by walkers from every where. I don't see much point spending too much here arguing on some historical detailed older than your ages you don't have first hand knowledge yourselves.
Japanese are content making porns for now but you give another several centuries I would not be surprised to find them out killing and raping some other country's people again.

 

[Col_McCafferty]

Even the short history of Sons 4 year tenure here gets side spinned so many ways by walkers from every where. I don't see much point spending too much here arguing on some historical detailed older than your ages you don't have first hand knowledge yourselves.
Japanese are content making porns for now but you give another several centuries I would not be surprised to find them out killing and raping some other country's people again.

And Mario, don't forget Mario.



Yeah, history is pretty grim. There were many atrocities carried out in the name of the British Empire. Should the citizens of today be blamed or made to feel guilt? I don't think so.

Learn from history or you're doomed to repeat it.

Oh and Son, love this guy. Great player that is obviously popular with his teammates and the coaching staff and always plays with a smile on his face.

Long may he remain a Spur!

 

[Luvf]

And Mario, don't forget Mario.



Yeah, history is pretty grim. There were many atrocities carried out in the name of the British Empire. Should the citizens of today be blamed or made to feel guilt? I don't think so.

Learn from history or you're doomed to repeat it.

Oh and Son, love this guy. Great player that is obviously popular with his teammates and the coaching staff and always plays with a smile on his face.

Long may he remain a Spur!

Ok back to it. I had to cut short for a brief personal duty back there lol.

Problem with Japanese kids though they don't learn the history and their doing in the past because they don't teach. They lie and hide in every aspect down to the textbooks. That's the problem. They can't learn from the history. They don't know why other nations people are mad at them. Pretty fuck up people on my book with no sign of improving if you ask me.

Anyway I really don't want to repeat what everyone was saying in past 10 pages. But I did find a few Video of Son mabe by some big football video you tubers all gone. There were two or three I know that came out around the New year but all gone now when their other videos seem in tact. That's is fucked up.

 

[Notabadsquad]

The best and main thing for me about Son this season is that he is but a slither away from being someone who you don't fear might freeze on the biggest occasion.

That is the domain of the top tier and he has now matched Alli in that regard.

If the 3 of them get on the pitch together from hereon in then we have a trio who have got the belief to get us closer still.

The gods will have to smile on us soon.

 

[Luvf]

Son will gladly take a back seat to anyone as long as it is helping the team win. What a player a team player. If we don't win here with Son and the brilliant Spurs future legends he is playing right now. I don't know.

 

[1882]

Youre a dick and a retard. I've demonstrated that to everyone, all you are left with is lies. Which anyone that cares to read our exchange can see

You can't say nothing substantial so you only left to taunt like a child. Your irrational hatred for Koreans seems very odd. Are you by any chance a Japanese?

Calling someone a 'retard' says everything about you - you insufferable, hateful (and very boring) CUNT

Stop derailing the thread, you junkie

LMAO, you even brought up Takeshima and pretends you're not the main one derailing this thread? Read back, you are the biggest troll.

Are you the racist one or the other one? I'm struggling to keep up

Oh dear God!

 

[Park Lane Mark Twain]

The best and main thing for me about Son this season is that he is but a slither away from being someone who you don't fear might freeze on the biggest occasion.

That is the domain of the top tier and he has now matched Alli in that regard.

If the 3 of them get on the pitch together from hereon in then we have a trio who have got the belief to get us closer still.

The gods will have to smile on us soon.

We have a front 4 that truly is up there with the best in the world. Kane, Dele, Eriksen & Sonny really is hard pushed to find better. To think if Christian decides to stay we could be looking at that quartet tormenting teams for another 6 seasons.

It must be tricky for Eriksen, personally if he was OK with signing a 1 year extension just to see how next season goes I'd take that right now. Completely understandable that he wants to keep his options open

 

[pondscum]

I am a Gooner but love Son. I always peruse this thread.

 

[Dr Rocktopus]

We have a front 4 that truly is up there with the best in the world. Kane, Dele, Eriksen & Sonny really is hard pushed to find better. To think if Christian decides to stay we could be looking at that quartet tormenting teams for another 6 seasons.

It must be tricky for Eriksen, personally if he was OK with signing a 1 year extension just to see how next season goes I'd take that right now. Completely understandable that he wants to keep his options open

Sorry but what on Earth has this got to do with wartime culpability? Please try to keep on topic.