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I think they've taken us as far as they're willing to invest. Our transfer dealings last few years prove that further - even with record profits we're still looking to bring in cheap punts and nothing players instead of finally solidifying our position in the PL elite. If you think club success if about record profits and the occasional good game vs top teams - so be it but many fans disagree

Last straw for me was the furlough embarrassment - shameless, disgraceful and proof the club and fans will never be ahead of corporate greed and the balance sheet
 
Further to above - selling now would ensure amicable parting for them and fans (over an above and astronomical ROI) - leaving behind a great legacy in the form of a 6-star stadium while allowing someone more ambitious trophy-wise to come in and finally take us from a just-about nice team who play good football to a ruthless winning machine made of first-class player. And that is not just down to the manger because we've been through them 'all'.
 
Another great piece by Spooky - truth be told he's not advocating 'ENIC Out', in my reading of the piece, he's saying that the people talking them down don't see the context of ENIC's involvement in the club:

Then there’s the current badge of honour for the ENIC OUT brigade, comparing the past 20 years under Levy to the 20 years before. Without including any context at all. I’ve written about this before. Does it need repeating? How can you possibly compare different eras of football? How can you pretend Irving Scholar didn’t happen? The club on the brink of administration? The Sugar/Venables debacle? The hardship of playing catch-up to the ‘Top Four’? To suggest another chairman would have guided us to this point is also highly debatable. Okay, we might have won more League Cups and had days out, but come on. We gonna dance to this tune every time the football gets a little bland and the common cold comes at us tooled up with bat juice.
 
JohnH said:
Nine of our squad were in the semi finals of the last world cup. Isn't that 'first class' enough?
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Further to this, John - who in the current team do you consider first -class. Here's mine

Kane
Son
Dele
Lloris (debatable)
Ndombele (to be proven)
Toby (one season max left)
Moura (barely)

That's 6 players at a push, 2 of which are in physical decline and the 3rd is not consistent enough

We need to do a missive overhaul - do you disagree?
 
ArcspacE said:
Further to above - selling now would ensure amicable parting for them and fans (over an above and astronomical ROI) - leaving behind a great legacy in the form of a 6-star stadium while allowing someone more ambitious trophy-wise to come in and finally take us from a just-about nice team who play good football to a ruthless winning machine made of first-class player. And that is not just down to the manger because we've been through them 'all'.
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Nine of our squad were in the semi finals of the last world cup. Isn't that 'first class' enough?
 
JohnH said:
Nine of our squad were in the semi finals of the last world cup. Isn't that 'first class' enough?
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Do we get a trophy for that then ?

It’s also a squad that sat in 8th place after 30 odd games this season

Doesn’t scream first class to me
 
JohnH said:
Nine of our squad were in the semi finals of the last world cup. Isn't that 'first class' enough?
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That proves how much Poch improved average players like Dier, Trippier, etc . Plus many of those were part of superior squads and simply 'featured' so this is a complete non-point. Similar to suggesting some of the Croatia players who were part of the 23-man squad and never really played are also first-class according this logic? Lloris was probably France's worst player in the final btw.

Our current squad is hopelessly short on real quality in key areas from years of poor transfer strategy as results have proven his season beyond all reasonable doubt to the point of having our best player come out publicly and complain about the lack of improvement and investment in the team. And when we had a chance in January to do something about it under this new 'superior' manager in typical ENIC fashion we went to cheap punts, didn't strengthen the our most important position and signed another Portuguese N'Jie cause he was on the cheap

Mourinho has a massive task on his hands to overhaul an ageing and in parts complacent squad but cannot do it alone and Levy must buy into it and let go
 
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JohnH said:
Who mentioned world class?

So now (with the help of another) you try to change the narrative to 'world class'...ok. :thumbup:
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Oh come on

First class , world class , same thing surely

End of the day it sounds like you think we have a top side and I don’t
 
JohnH said:
So... you're not first class if you get to a world cup semi final?
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Is Jesse Lingard first class ? Or Phil Jones perhaps ?

Would you be happy if we sign both of them this summer as they were part of the same squad that got to a World Cup semi final ?
 
ArcspacE said:
Further to this, John - who in the current team do you consider first -class. Here's mine

Kane
Son
Dele
Lloris (debatable)
Ndombele (to be proven)
Toby (one season max left)
Moura (barely)

That's 6 players at a push, 2 of which are in physical decline and the 3rd is not consistent enough

We need to do a missive overhaul - do you disagree?
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First class

Kane
Son
Lo Celso
Ndombele (when he can be bothered)
Lloris

Yes we need some sort of rebuild. As for Toby his legs looked shot like Verts during parts of this season.
 
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