I'd agree
-
The Fighting Cock is a forum for fans of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Here you can discuss Spurs latest matches, our squad, tactics and any transfer news surrounding the club. Registration gives you access to all our forums (including 'Off Topic' discussion) and removes most of the adverts (you can remove them all via an account upgrade). You're here now, you might as well...
Latest Spurs videos from Sky Sports
Deleted member 13260
Guest
Keep seeing Son getting stick for his performance yesterday. He obviously didn't have a great one but I don't think he's entirely to blame.
Appears to me that Mason decided the best way to get at City would be targeting their full backs. Son stayed up high on the left, waiting for an outlet pass to come, something in behind. Even Kane couldn't pick one out to him. Lucas on the other flank seemed to be set deeper with expectations to run through them. I do understand why Bale didn't start - he offers more in games we dominate the ball. I also understand why getting at Walker seemed like a good idea.. but Walker was not pushing up like he can do. He saw the threat of arguably our most dangerous player so sat with him - makes sense.
There's so much praise being thrown around about City with the ball, patient play, passing teams off the pitch etc. But I don't think that's why they beat us. I actually think they were poor with the ball in the final third. They didn't deserve to be 4-0 up like some say. Why should a team deserve goals they can't convert? This isn't unusual to see from City this season though.. but for me where they won the game was simply denying us balls out to wingers getting in behind their full backs. They set up a rigid formation and had no intention of repeating the defeat against us earlier in the season.
Deny our flanks.. sit deep with our wingers, press our full backs, let Foden wiggle around our immobile CBs. Absolutely do not let us counter with fluidity - pick up cards over conceded goals. Worked a treat. I don't think there's a manager in the world who could have come up with a tactic to counter them yesterday with the players available. We went out there relying on 'a bit of luck'.. a defensive error, a world class pass, an off day for one of their stars - and they didn't come and nor should we expect them to.
Felt like Reguilon had an absolute shocker which should secure his future with us. Madrid won't want to touch that. Lets just hope we can bring in another full back whisperer.
Appears to me that Mason decided the best way to get at City would be targeting their full backs. Son stayed up high on the left, waiting for an outlet pass to come, something in behind. Even Kane couldn't pick one out to him. Lucas on the other flank seemed to be set deeper with expectations to run through them. I do understand why Bale didn't start - he offers more in games we dominate the ball. I also understand why getting at Walker seemed like a good idea.. but Walker was not pushing up like he can do. He saw the threat of arguably our most dangerous player so sat with him - makes sense.
There's so much praise being thrown around about City with the ball, patient play, passing teams off the pitch etc. But I don't think that's why they beat us. I actually think they were poor with the ball in the final third. They didn't deserve to be 4-0 up like some say. Why should a team deserve goals they can't convert? This isn't unusual to see from City this season though.. but for me where they won the game was simply denying us balls out to wingers getting in behind their full backs. They set up a rigid formation and had no intention of repeating the defeat against us earlier in the season.
Deny our flanks.. sit deep with our wingers, press our full backs, let Foden wiggle around our immobile CBs. Absolutely do not let us counter with fluidity - pick up cards over conceded goals. Worked a treat. I don't think there's a manager in the world who could have come up with a tactic to counter them yesterday with the players available. We went out there relying on 'a bit of luck'.. a defensive error, a world class pass, an off day for one of their stars - and they didn't come and nor should we expect them to.
Felt like Reguilon had an absolute shocker which should secure his future with us. Madrid won't want to touch that. Lets just hope we can bring in another full back whisperer.
Errrmmm...might have. Your argument implies that no one ever got 2 yellows right? Didn't winks get zinchenko a second yellow , thus reducing them to 10 men this aiding us in winning (I think last season?). Yeah sure, if you're booked, you're gonna be more careful but as a player you can't always avoid that 2nd yellow...it only takes a misjudged tackle, mistiming a challenge or an 'accidental' elbow and you're off so yeah he should have been booked and then who knows what may have happened ...
Ps you said football isn't binary then say had he been booked for the 1st tackle he wouldn't have made another yellow offence tackle ... Seems fairly binary to me
I don't feel like we should melt after yesterday taken as a one-off cup final. City are a financially doped squad, one of the very best in the world right now, resources well beyond our means. We lost 1-0.
We can't blame the ref IMO, those types of 'should have been a yellow' happen all of the time. Reality is although we didn't play terribly we were second best all over the pitch (as anticipated) Hugo kept us in with some fine saves. Had Hojbjerg had a bit more composure or it falls to someone else it could have been different.
Kane, Son, Bale all off days. Can't be immune from criticism yesterday IMO, even if Kane was rushed back and wasn't fit - we've seen that script before. I don't understand why Sissoko came on, but then I don't understand why he's still at the club. Poch, Jose and Mason obviously see something I don't.
Pissed off but not really at yesterday, on a bigger picture - where do we go from here? Mourinho was always going to end in tears. Levy should have had a contingency for that from Day 0, just like he did when he got rid of our greatest manager for a generation.
We can't blame the ref IMO, those types of 'should have been a yellow' happen all of the time. Reality is although we didn't play terribly we were second best all over the pitch (as anticipated) Hugo kept us in with some fine saves. Had Hojbjerg had a bit more composure or it falls to someone else it could have been different.
Kane, Son, Bale all off days. Can't be immune from criticism yesterday IMO, even if Kane was rushed back and wasn't fit - we've seen that script before. I don't understand why Sissoko came on, but then I don't understand why he's still at the club. Poch, Jose and Mason obviously see something I don't.
Pissed off but not really at yesterday, on a bigger picture - where do we go from here? Mourinho was always going to end in tears. Levy should have had a contingency for that from Day 0, just like he did when he got rid of our greatest manager for a generation.
Well, yeah, but winning things and maximising profits are mutually inclusive.
He also wouldn't have been able to stop Moura in that second yellow thus giving us a 3v2 with the three being Moura Kane and Son
City did it all game and had 3-4 players on yellows from doing it, it's what made the subs all the more frustrating
No, my argument is you can't view the game retrospectively and assume the same things would have occurred had something that didn't happen, happen.
He didn't make another yellow-carded tackle once on a yellow. That's all I know, that's all I saw, that's all that happened. He might have made another one, but he didn't.
And the reason a lot of decent fans are leaving the game to be replaced by wannabe hipsters who know fuck all how the beautiful game should be played but are happy paying extortionate prices to watch games
They don’t even follow teams just players and managers like the fanbois that they are
Seems clairvoyant to me!
‘Knowing’ that if a player got booked for a foul early on he wouldn’t have done it again!!!
LOL
Why dont you read what I said first. I said we were shite theres no disputing that. My point is city have been tactical fouling for years and getting away with it for too long. Ask yourself this would the ref had sent off a spurs player for doing the same thing. Dam sure he would. Oh and Mr Tierny (Ref) is from Wigan a stones throw from Manchester 25.8 miles away.
You can't get 18 months of Joseball out of the players heads in 7 days.
Keep Ryan in charge to the end of the season, play with freedom.
COYS
Keep Ryan in charge to the end of the season, play with freedom.
COYS
Not at all - Top 4 CL is more than enough for those snakes it seems
You said football wasn't binary then said once booked he didn't make another bookable challenge. True. But, had he been booked he wouldn't have been ble to do the 2nd one this leaving us 3 v 2.
No they are not. PSG and Man City are not run for profit. Profits for a tax haven account isn't reinvested back into the team.
And another devastating disappointment at the end but fuck the fans and how do you know it was 100% of all Spurs fans having a vested interest?
It’s not even 100% of posters on here!!
All we can agree on is Levy is a cunt and has fucked up big time since Poch arrived!
And surely one of the reasons for having a Forum in the first place is to view a game retrospectively and to have differences of opinion without certain posters calling other posters who disagree with them ‘Weirdos’!!
That's the point, referees that dont apply the rules properly cause controversy like yesterday
Yes.
But I'm not supposing or guessing an outcome on what didn't happen.
He wasn't booked (he should have been). He, therefore, wasn't on a yellow so he, therefore, he could make, and did, a yellow carded tackle to break up play. This is what happened.
To imagine something different from this happening is utterly pointless. To assume that had he got a yellow that he would have got a 2nd is utterly pointless, it would have probably been another player that made the tackle, why because they know exactly what they are doing, they are trained to do this, it is a pattern of their game, it's is part of their gameplay, they are prepared to do just this. It means they aren't out of control, they are in total control of what they are doing.
I'm not saying its not clever. It's clearly incredibly effective.
I'm saying that they're stopping other teams playing by committing intentional fouls. By definition, a foul is a foul because its not allowed in the rules of football - therefore any gameplan that involves intentional fouling is anti-football.