Premier League 20/21 Targets and Expectations.

[Igula]

Of course we’re better off, but it’s a myth playing CL gives you the pick of the bunch.

Otherwise everyone would want to join Dortmund, instead of leave them.

Who said it gets you the pick of the bunch?

Having CL makes it easier to get better talent. There is no argument against that.

Since we are talking about the League Cup as you say young players from other countries don’t know us as well as other teams, they also don’t grow up hoping to win the Caribao Cup, they grow up hoping to play in and win the CL.

 

[sammyspurs]

No hindsight, we needed a quality wide forward and got Sissoko. Playing in the champions league can attract the players outside the galatico level but you have to pay the wages as well. We didnt or dont.

Sissoko was a 30M player who just had a brilliant World Cup.
Mane was a 30M who hadn’t

 

[sammyspurs]

Who said it gets you the pick of the bunch?

Having CL makes it easier to get better talent. There is no argument against that.

Since we are talking about the League Cup as you say young players from other countries don’t know us as well as other teams, they also don’t grow up hoping to win the Caribao Cup, they grow up hoping to play in and win the CL.

And winning the CL isn’t one if Spurs strongpoints

 

[Sir Archibald Crooks]

Sissoko was a 30M player who just had a brilliant World Cup.
Mane was a 30M who hadn’t

One had real promise in a position we needed to fill and one didnt. Given 2016 was a Euro's i'd say its a bit harsh to judge Mane's non performances.

 

[sammyspurs]

One had real promise in a position we needed to fill and one didnt. Given 2016 was a Euro's i'd say its a bit harsh to judge Mane's non performances.

Real promise.
That’s hindsight mate......Mane wasn’t a top player the CL would have elevated us to

 

[Clynelish]

Saying that Sissoko was briliant at the Euros is a bit of a stretch.. He made a couple of decent runs down that right hand side, but has always been a non-footballer and that will never change. Great athlete though.

 

[Sir Archibald Crooks]

Real promise.
That’s hindsight mate......Mane wasn’t a top player the CL would have elevated us to

No hindsight, pretty much every fan at the time was dissapointed we didnt sign him. Champions league on its own will attract players that have an alternative of no champions league and the same wages elsewhere. It wont attract players that have another champions league team to go to that pay twice as much in salary. Its why we lost out to champions league Liverpool for Mane but beat mid table Everton to Sissoko.

 

[SpiderSpurs]

Even the 'experts' get it wrong.

BBC pundits' predictions for the 2019-20 Premier League
Predictor	1st	2nd	3rd	4th
Ian Wright	Liverpool	Man City	Tottenham	Woolwich
Alex Scott	Liverpool	Man City	Tottenham	Woolwich
Sue Smith	Liverpool	Man City	Tottenham	Woolwich
Martin Keown	Liverpool	Man City	Tottenham	Woolwich
Stephen Warnock	Liverpool	Man City	Tottenham	Woolwich
Danny Murphy	Liverpool	Man City	Tottenham	Man Utd
Alan Shearer	Liverpool	Man City	Tottenham	Man Utd
Matthew Upson	Liverpool	Man City	Tottenham	Chelsea
Ruud Gullit	Man City	Chelsea	Liverpool	Man Utd
Karen Carney	Man City	Liverpool	Man Utd	Woolwich
Mark Schwarzer	Man City	Liverpool	Chelsea	Tottenham
Jermaine Jenas	Man City	Liverpool	Tottenham	Woolwich
Paul Ince	Man City	Liverpool	Tottenham	Woolwich
Chris Sutton	Man City	Liverpool	Tottenham	Woolwich
Leon Osman	Man City	Liverpool	Tottenham	Woolwich
Pat Nevin	Man City	Liverpool	Tottenham	Woolwich
Michael Brown	Man City	Liverpool	Tottenham	Woolwich
Mark Lawrenson	Man City	Liverpool	Tottenham	Woolwich
Micah Richards	Man City	Liverpool	Tottenham	Man Utd
Lindsay Johnson	Man City	Liverpool	Tottenham	Man Utd
Kevin Kilbane	Man City	Liverpool	Tottenham	Man Utd
Rachel Brown-Finnis	Man City	Liverpool	Tottenham	Chelsea
Chris Waddle	Man City	Liverpool	Tottenham	Chelsea
Joleon Lescott	Man City	Liverpool	Tottenham	Chelsea

Premier League predictions 2019-20: How accurate were the BBC Sport pundits?

 

[BernardMatthews]

Almost 90 votes and only 10% channelling the spirit of Bill Nicholson.

Vast majority in the Harry Redknapp as good as it gets camp.

Says it all.

Mentality.

 

[sammyspurs]

No hindsight, pretty much every fan at the time was dissapointed we didnt sign him. Champions league on its own will attract players that have an alternative of no champions league and the same wages elsewhere. It wont attract players that have another champions league team to go to that pay twice as much in salary. Its why we lost out to champions league Liverpool for Mane but beat mid table Everton to Sissoko.

Every fan was gutted we didn’t sign Bony
Hardly a sign that Mane was a top player in 2016.
We also signed Wanyama that year too......if he had gone to Liverpool and played how he did for us, before his injuries, you’d be saying the exact same thing.
Sometimes, other teams sign players.

You’re taking like Liverpool was Manes consolation prize. It was more than likely his first choice.

 

[Igula]

And winning the CL isn’t one if Spurs strongpoints

It isn't a strong point of 99.9% of clubs.

I mean there have been what 5 or 6 winners in the past 10-15 years. I'm not even sure you could say it is a strong suit of teams that have won it.

Does 1 win in 12 years mean that winning CL is a strong point of Liverpool?

 

[sammyspurs]

It isn't a strong point of 99.9% of clubs.

I mean there have been what 5 or 6 winners in the past 10-15 years. I'm not even sure you could say it is a strong suit of teams that have won it.

Does 1 win in 12 years mean that winning CL is a strong point of Liverpool?

No but players don’t come to Spurs to win the CL, they join Real or Utd or Chelsea or even City

 

[MemphisWill]

No but players don’t come to Spurs to win the CL, they join Real or Utd or Chelsea or even City

 

[FightingIllini]

Having CL makes it easier to get better talent. There is no argument against that.

At the margin, perhaps. But at the end of the day it is almost entirely a question of money.

The reason clubs in our position prioritize the pursuit of top 4 over the cups is down entirely to the far greater financial reward for doing so. And fans, who have swallowed the notion of revenue generation as the ultimate purpose of a football club hook line and sinker, denigrate the cups accordingly.

It's a shame. And it's weakening the game from the root.

 

[Tomo]

Depends what is meant by expectation.

I am not a fan of Jose football but credit where credit is due he is a winner. I think most Spurs fans have glamour football in their blood so it’s sometimes hard to accept more defensive football such as Graham or AVB.

His arrival was always a trade off between attacking football and success so yes I expect us to be challenging for the league, FA Cup, EL next season, that was the whole point of him being here. If otherwise then it’s a mess.

But here is the thing, we all know the strength of other teams and where we need improvement. To bring in Mourinho and not spend spend spend to challenge for trophies would make us a bit of a laughing stock among other clubs. They would say and with good reason why did you get him in the first place then. Make no mistake this is a huge gamble by Levy and one I would advise you only do with very good backing. If he doesn’t and the team falls short, Mourinho will just say I wasn’t backed and unlike other managers he will make a scene out of it.

There was debate when Mourinho first arrived whether Levy thought the squad was great and just need the stardust of a new manager or whether he accepted it was unbalanced and now was the time for big investment with a big spending achiever. I guess we will see.

 

[Igula]

No but players don’t come to Spurs to win the CL, they join Real or Utd or Chelsea or even City

Sure but that fits for about the 1% of players in the world.

There is still a large group of players that are extremely talented that would rather play for Spurs in the CL than play for Everton in the Caribao Cup and EPL. There are players that will come here to play in the CL that will have no interest if we are a constant 10th place team with a couple of Cariboa Cup wins.

Do you honestly think we would bring in the same quality of player if we constantly finished 10th but won every single Caribao Cup versus wining zero Caraibao Cups but constantly top 4?

i mean just based on our financial differences alone it is clear that we are getting better players in the CL scenario.

 

[Tomo]

At the margin, perhaps. But at the end of the day it is almost entirely a question of money.

The reason clubs in our position prioritize the pursuit of top 4 over the cups is down entirely to the far greater financial reward for doing so. And fans, who have swallowed the notion of revenue generation as the ultimate purpose of a football club hook line and sinker, denigrate the cups accordingly.

It's a shame. And it's weakening the game from the root.

Couldn’t agree more, the likes of City when they first got money and had no CL could buy anyone, same as Chelsea when they had seasons outside the top 4. A few players are CL only, most are money because they like money and they also know that money in the long term means trophies as money attracts top players like shit attracts flies.

 

[sammyspurs]

To not believe players would join City over us to win the CL is a little like naive

 

[Igula]

At the margin, perhaps. But at the end of the day it is almost entirely a question of money.

The reason clubs in our position prioritize the pursuit of top 4 over the cups is down entirely to the far greater financial reward for doing so. And fans, who have swallowed the notion of revenue generation as the ultimate purpose of a football club hook line and sinker, denigrate the cups accordingly.

It's a shame. And it's weakening the game from the root.

I am not so sure about that.

It isn't like the Burnley's, Watford's, WH's of the world are prioritizing Cups and winning those. It is still the top money teams that are winning Cups.

I am not sure how it is fans priorities that are doing anything at all it is the reality of the money available and changes to the CL that make it so you need to be a top 4 Club to have the best shot at winning trophies and maintaining that level of play.

We as fans can prioritize winning the Caribao Cup all we want but I am not sure how that helps when we line up against a much more talented City team that has guys on their bench that would easily start for us. I am not sure how fan support changes the penalty shoot-out result last year in the SF.

 

[skywalker68]

Sure but that fits for about the 1% of players in the world.

There is still a large group of players that are extremely talented that would rather play for Spurs in the CL than play for Everton in the Caribao Cup and EPL. There are players that will come here to play in the CL that will have no interest if we are a constant 10th place team with a couple of Cariboa Cup wins.

Do you honestly think we would bring in the same quality of player if we constantly finished 10th but won every single Caribao Cup versus wining zero Caraibao Cups but constantly top 4?

i mean just based on our financial differences alone it is clear that we are getting better players in the CL scenario.

Look at the level of player we have been linked with so far, hardly much to get excited about considering what Chelsea are doing.
I think a lot of fan's are going to be left disappointed by the transition to the new stadium, the cautious tight spending will never change.