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I think this spells out why you and I are in disagreement. I am against racism when it's loud and clear. But, you believe Rudiger was indeed racially abused, which is why you believe I'm doing a 180 when I called him out for his theatrics. You believe that I'm ignoring the "racial abuse" of Rudiger. Which is why in your mind, I am doing a 180.
This is the boring bit where I point out the Mandarin Oriental is I believe, Singapore registered and own by European business (worse still the chair is somehow hooked up with the Woolwich so doubles evil) and is actually an example of the "exoticised" Orientalism that makes the word problematic for some. Language has history as we reinterpreted history, feelings change. It happens whether we like it go along or not. Plus Woolwich so fuck em.But that’s exactly the point, it’s just a descriptor and always has been. Somebody should explain to the Mandarin Oriental group that they sit of a throne of racism. Or maybe try Westaplaining to one of the countless “Oriental XYZ” restaurants across the globe that they are being self hating. It’s a nonsense.
If anything it’s out of date but nothing more. Anyone who thinks it’s a racist word has zero understanding of its etymology.
So you’re against racism when it’s “loud and clear”, so then presumably you’re not against it when it’s more subtle? Seems and interesting position to take, which I’ll come to in my final point.
Of course you haven't. You'd look like a fool to claim he was when there's 0 evidence even to this day. But there's enough in your language to indicate you truly believe it happened, and you've probably been praying for evidence to come out that would support his allegations and then you can feel vindicated.As I said, I never once said Rudiger was racially abused by anyone in the stadium, but you seem to want to put that on me as it fits your narrative. (I do appreciate though that you may not have gone back to read the thread.)
I've never heard of Conformation Bias before. I think the term you are looking for is Confirmation Bias. "Racism occurred yesterday". Are you referring again to Rudiger? The club has cooperated with the police and experts in lip reading and have released plenty of information to indicate there was no form of racism. You should take our club's word for it and just let it go at this point.And this is because I actually accused you of:
“What you are showing is 'Conformation Bias' because you looking for any opinion (or in this case lack of option) that proves no racism occurred yesterday, because that's your pre-existing view of the events. You're not being open minded enough to accept it could happen.”
Good to know.To be fair we all have some bias to one degree or another, not just on race, it’s inbuilt and it’s up to us to understand it or not.
Odd, since you told me you agreed with a lot of what I said regarding racism. I guess that all now goes down the toilet though, because I said some bad words? What fallacy is that?In reality though, that language you used in that thread was pretty poor, I personally don’t think anyone who frequently uses the term ‘race card’, in a derogatory sense, or calls someone who claimed to be racially abused “a lying sack of shit” should be lecturing others on what is and what isn’t racism.
I'm against racism when it's loud and clear, when I see someone racially abusing someone on video, when I see hundreds of Bulgarian supporters racially abuse our England players. Fundamentally, we're different because, again, you try to make it black and white by making racism either loud and clear OR "subtle" for the sake of your argument. Instead of subtle, it's non-existent. Something you can't come to accept regarding the Rudiger incident. Since there's 0 evidence, you try to pass it off as though Tottenham supporters racially abused Rudiger "subtly".
Of course you haven't. You'd look like a fool to claim he was when there's 0 evidence even to this day. But there's enough in your language to indicate you truly believe it happened, and you've probably been praying for evidence to come out that would support his allegations and then you can feel vindicated.
I've never heard of Conformation Bias before. I think the term you are looking for is Confirmation Bias. "Racism occurred yesterday". Are you referring again to Rudiger? The club has cooperated with the police and experts in lip reading and have released plenty of information to indicate there was no form of racism. You should take our club's word for it and just let it go at this point.
Good to know.
Odd, since you told me you agreed with a lot of what I said regarding racism. I guess that all now goes down the toilet though, because I said some bad words? What fallacy is that?
Why do you think that?I just hope the FA don’t suspend him for the Chelsea game, I think one of his purple patches is just around the corner.