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DEFINITION
In Yiddish, the word "Yid" Yiddish: ייד is neutral or even complimentary, and in Ashkenazi Yiddish-speaking circles it is frequently used to mean simply "fellow," "chap," "buddy," "mate," etc., with no expressed emphasis on Jewishness (although this may be implied by the intra-Jewish context). Plural is יידן [jidn].
In Yiddish, a polite way to address a fellow Jew whose name one does not know is Reb Yid, meaning "Sir." The Yiddish words yidish or yiddisher (from Middle High German jüdisch) is an adjective derived from the noun Yid, and thus means "Jewish".
In Yiddish, the word "Yid" Yiddish: ייד is neutral or even complimentary, and in Ashkenazi Yiddish-speaking circles it is frequently used to mean simply "fellow," "chap," "buddy," "mate," etc., with no expressed emphasis on Jewishness (although this may be implied by the intra-Jewish context). Plural is יידן [jidn].
In Yiddish, a polite way to address a fellow Jew whose name one does not know is Reb Yid, meaning "Sir." The Yiddish words yidish or yiddisher (from Middle High German jüdisch) is an adjective derived from the noun Yid, and thus means "Jewish".
Total respect and I agree - ged rid of the Nob-heads.
Ahhh, yeah, but no but... Hook-nose & Hissing don't containt he word YID, therefore don't offend Baddeil, therefore it don't count!
Context is fuck all in this day and age of instant opinion... if you hear it, you;re offended by it, regardless of taking the wider context into consideration... after all, if the jumped up pricks on the internet say Spurs fans and not Chelsea/West Ham are the racists for shouting YID, then obviously we're racist!!
the whole one-sidedness of the subject stinks to high heaven!
I am told by a reliable source, that the cctv cameras in the new ground will be able to identify every single face in a crowd of 61000.
They will have no excuse then.
Mate, there are going to be police at the Lane come what may. That's why I find it frustrating.
It is a dying insult, without question. But the issue I have is that because a distinct percentage of Jews who attend WHL are not generation-ally divorced from the slur, it's assumed that no Jew in the ground has an issue with it, and therefore the police can decide that it isn't universally offensive. That just doesn't seem right to me, especially at a time when we have seen a significant increase in anti-Semitic attacks in the UK.
l don't think the Met has assumed that at all, and as you say it would be wrong of them to do so. I think they've simply acknowledged the difficulty of making charges stick at our ground.
Of course they've assumed it. They're making it very difficult to prosecute someone in WHL if they're making a blanket statement that the use of the slur is universally ok while in the stadium. Can we really say that there are never going to be anti-Semitics in WHL that wouldn't aggressively taunt a Jewish fan with the slur?
Then you're under qualified to opine on what I have said.
this. its exactly what baddiel did.
How can anyone find it offensive. Here is the definition, copied and pasted
In Yiddish, the word "Yid" Yiddish: ייד is neutral or even complimentary, and in Ashkenazi Yiddish-speaking circles it is frequently used to mean simply "fellow," "chap," "buddy," "mate," etc., with no expressed emphasis on Jewishness (although this may be implied by the intra-Jewish context). Plural is יידן [jidn].
In Yiddish, a polite way to address a fellow Jew whose name one does not know is Reb Yid, meaning "Sir." The Yiddish words yidish or yiddisher (from Middle High German jüdisch) is an adjective derived from the noun Yid, and thus means "Jewish".
In Yiddish, the word "Yid" Yiddish: ייד is neutral or even complimentary, and in Ashkenazi Yiddish-speaking circles it is frequently used to mean simply "fellow," "chap," "buddy," "mate," etc., with no expressed emphasis on Jewishness (although this may be implied by the intra-Jewish context). Plural is יידן [jidn].
In Yiddish, a polite way to address a fellow Jew whose name one does not know is Reb Yid, meaning "Sir." The Yiddish words yidish or yiddisher (from Middle High German jüdisch) is an adjective derived from the noun Yid, and thus means "Jewish".
The Met getting away from this is/was inevitable on the basis that you can't arrest 20,000 people and the chanting had clearly no racist intent. From the perspective of managing a crowd, no one could possibly arrest those numbers and no judge could say that it was used en masse by our fans in an antisemitic way.
This should never have been a legal debate, it's a moral one. We can debate this forever on the moral side and it's never going to go away.
It is clear that some Jewish people take offence at the word Yid, this is not just David Baddiel, who has made a serious mistake in trying to tackle it the way he has. Would a Chelsea fan like a Spurs fan lecturing them on some of the offensive rhetoric coming from their fans?
We need to be mindful of it's connotations outside of the Lane, I have said it before but I would rather we found other ways of identifying ourselves as Spurs fans, I don't think that's the majority view though, that's on this forum or at the ground.
In the context of the game, when used by Spurs fans I know it's not offensive, but us continuing to use it forever, I am not sure that's right.
This should never have been a legal debate, it's a moral one. We can debate this forever on the moral side and it's never going to go away.
It is clear that some Jewish people take offence at the word Yid, this is not just David Baddiel, who has made a serious mistake in trying to tackle it the way he has. Would a Chelsea fan like a Spurs fan lecturing them on some of the offensive rhetoric coming from their fans?
We need to be mindful of it's connotations outside of the Lane, I have said it before but I would rather we found other ways of identifying ourselves as Spurs fans, I don't think that's the majority view though, that's on this forum or at the ground.
In the context of the game, when used by Spurs fans I know it's not offensive, but us continuing to use it forever, I am not sure that's right.
I know this is complicated, but surely something that has evolved from racism ending up in something that counters racism, as Spurs fans standing tall together is reason enough to be proud of the Yiddo-chants.
There is a lot of good reasons to have a go at people that are being racist, xenophobic etc. This isn't it, and for that reason I think it should be applauded as an example how people should react when someone in your group is attacked in some way or another.
There is a lot of good reasons to have a go at people that are being racist, xenophobic etc. This isn't it, and for that reason I think it should be applauded as an example how people should react when someone in your group is attacked in some way or another.