Its really weird to me how the majority of fans seems to all agree on a scapegoat and then once he's benched or injured they seem to agree on another. The shit PEH gets on this board is insane to me.
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The problem is, booing can work. See the Moura sub and Nuno. It precipitated a change (at least symbolically, you assume the wheels were already in motion).
I don’t boo, and I don’t like the fact Sanchez was the target and he’s way, way down the list of targets.
But, for example, I am surprised that Son never got some stick. For all his heroics, he’s been absolute toilet for most of the season. There have been collective groans when his name is on the sheet again. Booing him isn’t booing the player, it’s telling the management and club to get their shit together and put him on the bench.
A lot of people laugh at the threadbare ENIC demonstrations. Now, in contrast, it seems the fans are being told off for the only legitimate way they can vent their frustrations.
When Harry was sacked the England job situation was months in the past, it was quite a shock to me when he got sacked as he had a lot of credit in the bank although from what I read later on Harry and Levy’s relationship had gone south. I would have been ok but we appointed AVB whose football at Chelsea was awful.
You'll have to remind me....
Which just brings me back to my prior post..... Booing doesn't ensure that you articulate a particular point; it's merely a non-physical equivalent to throwing a rotten apple.
Nah, sorry... Not buying that.....That's a poor excuse. Booing isn't "the only legitimate way they can vent their frustrations." If the protests are threadbare; that's just apathy and/or lack of commitment.... Nor does it mean that fans can't articulate their actual gripes by chanting.
Other fans laughing at a poorly attended protest(*) =/= We must bully our weakest player with boos.
A doesn't justify B.
(I respect the model of demonstrations; I just find those in recent seasons lame given how disproportionate they are to the amount of gobbing off that takes place on-line during the week.)
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Defensive errors stand out more, and thus defenders tend to take way more shit along with goalkeepers.
Majority of the players that are scapegoated end up being defenders like Sanchez, Emerson, Aurier, Dier and Davies. Or midfielders in defensive roles like Pierre and Sissoko. Whilst you can laugh off Son or Kane missing a sitter, or say that they'll get the next one, a defensive error is often times more costly so those players (some times wrongly) end up taking way more flack from the fanbase.
Also, the attackers are more often than not the stars of the team and thus the fanbases darlings. And it would take a lot of bad playing to have most fanbases turn on their darlings when they can use mental gymnastics to have a go at someone further down the totem pole instead.
We backed Harry over the tax stuff > He whored himself out for the England job and refused a new deal here > Then when clear he would get the job he obnoxiously started banging on Levy's door for a new improved contract (whist Levy was mourning the passing of his mum or something to the equivalent of that)......
Harry himself will tell you that HE fucked up.
What credit HR had "in the bank" he'd already squandered; showing he wasn't suitably committed or grateful for our backing during the tax biz.
What comes next is it's own separate matter.
Booing didn't get Nuno sacked if that's what you're referring to, and even if it did that doesn't mean fans should feel that they are the ones in charge.
I openly criticise the staunch ENIC out demonstrators because they are all inherently lazy, they haven't even bothered to follow up with their sentiment with a real protest any real action. They make a bunch of noise online but when push comes to shove they're all a bunch of keyboard warriors.
That's where the self entitlement accusations come from, you want something done but you don't want to work for it, can't be arsed to get off your backsides but you'd happily boo a player instead to show your frustrations, sorry that's shit.
What have you actually done to get these guys out the club?
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When we lost at home to UTD (3-0, think Cavani got a brace), chasing the game Nuno decided to sub Lucas rather than a defender. Huge boos. That was his last game for us.
On you’re broader point, I’m not really sure ‘buying it’ is relevant. The only way fans can voice their displeasure is by booing. You’re holding them to a standard that is impossible to meet (targeted correctly and making an accurate point).
I mean, they could send Stellini an email, but not sure there would be a response.
I assume you didn’t mean Nuno when talking about 2 recent appointments, but rather Jose and Conte. Either way, Levy and co’s first concern is not about keeping Kane happy. Every decision ENIC make is based on a spreadsheet. Signing big name managers for £15m a year is cheaper than attending to the massive rebuild that this squad needs, whilst making it look as though they are serious about us winning something. We fans then renew our season tickets and stay docile whilst the shiny new manager attempts to clinch top 4 and keep the Champ League revenue coming in. That all Levy cares about…that and sorting out the NFL franchise.
IIRC; there were all sorts of disgruntled chants articulated during and after than game too........
We even went into that game with it being billed as "el sackico" (for both Nuno & Ole).
I don't buy it; cos it's cobblers..... Want Levy out? Then chant "We want Levy out"..... Think Stellini is doing a crap job? Then chat "you don't know what you're doing"... These are age old chants.
Meh.
You're being willfully ignorant here, in all honesty.
Targetting a player with boos is the only way? FAR from it......
Chant (Inside & Outside)
Mobilise.
Protest
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I'd agree but how do your average football fans show displeasure?
Slow golf clap aimed at the management sounds like a plan
Needs a complete gutting.
A new project manager to do a proper rebuild and a new culture to emerge.
That probably means Kane, Son, Lloris, Dier, Davies, Hojbjerg all shown the door but that will never happen.
If Kane has got any sense he will force a move this summer or at best we have him for one more year.
After that I think we persevere with a declining Son and the other clowns for a while yet.
I think Levy just massively overrates this squad and is convinced a manager will solve all of the issues.
Agree, booing can work.
Hopefully Stellini has got the message that the fans don't want to see Sanchez in a Spurs shirt again. At the very least it should make him second guess making another cowardly sub like that.
Son just has way too much credit in the bank for boos this season. It would probably take next season being another complete flunk and him playing every minute again for the boos to start.
I’m not being ‘wilfully ignorant’. Drop the passive aggressive silliness.
Booing subs and certain players is one of the unfortunate realities of expressing frustration with sporting decisions that are being made in that moment, at the game. I didn’t agree with Sanchez and wouldn’t have done it, but there are moments when it will happen.
It’s not something I would do, but you can’t on the one hand expect the stadium to be a cauldron of emotion and noise, but then, on the other hand, cry foul when the team is very, very occasionally the target.
(Your last comment about emailing Stelllini was certainly facetious; so neither is playing a blinder here if we're being picky.....)
Sorry, I don't know what else to call it.....
Call it what you will, but you're double-doubling-down on your "The only way fans can voice their displeasure is by booing. " rhetoric even though it's patently not true and your OG 'excuse' citing protests was weak......
Twitter & forums are the perfect platform to organise, mobilise and protest..... We managed without back in the day..... Too much like hard work these days it seems.
- Booing a performance at HT/FT... Not keen; but I get it.....
- Booing a substitution as it happens...... I get it, but I'm dead against it.
- Persistently booing a player when they're out there tasked with doing their best to help the team..... Fuck right off.
I'm pretty sure that happened on top of the boo'ing
Ditch the booing then.... Why is is this so tough to comprehend?