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Apparently when Son scored his first Walker went batshit at the Millwall fans? I didn't see that. Can anyone confirm?
That's like asking who the worst is between Oswald Mosley and Nick Griffin.
Seriously?
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It's about time we retire this "no noise from the pikey boys" nonsense. No point being angry about Son and then singing that. The underlying message is either that "it doesn't matter cause it's only gypos" (which is in itself incredibly racist) or "it's just banter", well the same could be said for what Millwall sung, it's either racist or it ain't.
I'm not some PC wanker, I used to join in with it but then I realised what a cunt I was being and had a word with myself.
I'm not some PC wanker, I used to join in with it but then I realised what a cunt I was being and had a word with myself.
Double standards. Plain & simple. As you rightly say, it's racist to call a traveller a "Pikey" & a bit rich to complain about some of the abuse our players/fans get, whilst using similarly offensive chants. I used to know a few travellers & I can honestly say that every single one of them would have flattened any gobby cunt who called them a "pikey".
Do you condone the use of "Yid"? I'm in a minority, but I've spoken vocally on this in the past. I, or rather my parents and grandparents, are/were of a generation when Yid was used against Jewish people a slur, my grandfather including during his working life. Yet I am told the word is repurposed because it is apparently a chant of solidarity (which is total bollocks as only about 10% of fans even thought about it before the Y Word debate) and because some young Jews are generations beyond the time when it wasn offensive word.
So when does the double standard start and end?
I didn't see it but a few of the media peeps did think Gary Jacob mentioned in his match report plus a mention in the Guardian too......
Definitely a fair point though a different debate. Whilst pikey is clearly used in a way that is a racist, the way in which yid is generally used by Spurs fans is much more open to debate. I believe it means different things to different people, both the person singing it and the person hearing it.
You have the whole spectrum of views from people who don't want to sing it because they don't want us to be associated with jews, to people singing it in an act of (possibly misguided?) solidarity, which I think is more than 10% but how can you really know?, those who sing it without much thought, those who like it because it is controversial and then you have jews who love it, jews who don't care much either way, jews that would really want it to stop, plus many other views besides and people who combine different elements of the above.
Yes indeed. I think the true debate in it all is what is a word? I mean, if a Spurs fan shouts "Pikey" are they really trying to attack a presumed image of their targets as Roma/gypsies? Or is it more about a working class background jibe?
In contrast, the Son chant is clearly based on a racial stereotype.
If it's the same instance as I'm thinking of then it wasn't empty, there was an 80 year old patron getting his daily pint and had to be rushed upstairs by the bar staff.
The game was also on a Wednesday which meant those sad twats took a day off work to smash up a near empty pub.
I think it's a w/c background jibe based on an underlying assumption/belief that being a traveller is a bad thing. Not so much of a direct attack on travellers but still just as racist.
Yep that was the one.....I remember hearing about that old bloke.
I think they were champo then.....probably feared not playing us for anther 10 years, so that was like Millwalls cup final yesterday to them
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It flows so well
Yeah it was a league cup game from about 2003 when Bobby Zamora got the winner for us.
I got locked inside the Northumberland Arms pre-match by the Police as their 'top boys' were apparently inside the pub who had turned up for an arranged 'meet' but had got the wrong pub.
They're a special bunch