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Would you attend matches at 10-25% capacity

  • Yes - COYS!

    Votes: 116 74.8%
  • No

    Votes: 26 16.8%
  • I'd rather go to another Take That reunion

    Votes: 13 8.4%

  • Total voters
    155
The view of The Trust.

The Premier League's pay per view offer
10/9/2020

Nothing is ever simple in football. After weeks of campaigning to ensure fans could watch their teams while access to stadiums is denied, we should have been celebrating the announcement that they can, and with it a great victory for fan power. But, once again, the Premier League, Clubs and Broadcasters have managed to turn what could have been a positive into a negative. Because, once again, they didn’t have a proper conversation with the fans.

The announcement that games broadcast on TV outside the existing contract will be priced at £14.95 per view has prompted a huge backlash. We believe a better deal was not only desirable, but possible and we’re backing the Football Supporters’ Association’s call for a rethink.

As some of our Board members have been working with the detail of broadcast deals for some time, we thought it was worth breaking things down and explaining the issues.

It’s a positive thing that the clubs have finally recognised that fans need to be able to see their teams while stadiums are closed. This has happened because of sustained pressure from fans. Broadcasting all games means that, on two fronts, the situation is better than normal.

First, ALL fans, not just season ticket holders or regular match-goers, are now able to watch their team legally when they play league games. Second, those fans who would normally pay for a ticket to attend the match in person are paying less than they would per game to watch their team.

Of course, watching on TV is an inferior experience for regular match-going fans. And there will be a variety of views on what price properly reflects that. But the statements above remain true.

However, the price of £14.95 per game is too high. And because it is too high, it could have damaging effects – not just on individual’s finances at a time when many are stretched. It will encourage use of illegal streams, therefore diverting money from the game. And it will encourage people to gather in households and pubs to watch games together.

The current plan also penalises fans of those clubs less likely to be selected on the regular broadcast schedule. They will have to pay more to watch their team than fans of the so-called glamour clubs.

A cheaper price point would not only have been fairer, it would have had more chance of expanding the audience and generating more income. And it would have shown that the Premier League is aware of the situation people outside its bubble are in.

The devil, as always, is in the detail. We need to know whether or not existing customers of the broadcasters involved will have to pay the same as new ones. We need to know if fans who have already paid up front for all or part of their season ticket will be able to offset that against the pay-per-view deal. The situation at each club will be different, but these details matter.

We also need to know where the money is going – to the clubs, or to the TV companies. We understand broadcasters incur costs by televising games. We also understand that, despite its regular boasting about its financial success, the Premier League is being hit financially by the current pandemic. Few businesses give their products away for free, and they are especially unlikely to do so when income has been severely affected.

But we want to know how the Premier League arrived at the price point of £14.95. We would have hoped that, through the dialogue between the Premier League and the Football Supporters’ Association, fan groups would have been canvassed on price sensitivity. Needless to say, this didn’t happen. It is an opportunity missed.

The accumulated cost of subscriptions to BT Sport, Sky Sports, Amazon Prime, Premier Sports… along with the streaming fees for EFL Cup games and potentially FA Cup games in challenging fiscal times places additional stress on fans’ finances and that’s something the broadcasters, clubs and competition organisers must recognise. We understand that clubs did not want to link broadcast charges to season ticket packages because of the administrative burden. We don’t believe the answer is to pass the administrative and financial burden on to fans.

Despite the clubs reportedly voting unanimously for this, it didn’t take long for anonymous briefings to surface suggesting some clubs didn’t really agree with what they had voted for. That came in the face of almost universal condemnation of the decision. This suggests at least some clubs know they’ve got this badly wrong. So we’ll say this once again, simply, so it can’t be misunderstood.

Sit down with the fans. Agree a deal that works for everyone. And then we can all get back to enjoying football and dealing with the many pressing other problems in life.

THST Board
9 October 2020
 
The view of The Trust.

The Premier League's pay per view offer
10/9/2020

Nothing is ever simple in football. After weeks of campaigning to ensure fans could watch their teams while access to stadiums is denied, we should have been celebrating the announcement that they can, and with it a great victory for fan power. But, once again, the Premier League, Clubs and Broadcasters have managed to turn what could have been a positive into a negative. Because, once again, they didn’t have a proper conversation with the fans.

The announcement that games broadcast on TV outside the existing contract will be priced at £14.95 per view has prompted a huge backlash. We believe a better deal was not only desirable, but possible and we’re backing the Football Supporters’ Association’s call for a rethink.

As some of our Board members have been working with the detail of broadcast deals for some time, we thought it was worth breaking things down and explaining the issues.

It’s a positive thing that the clubs have finally recognised that fans need to be able to see their teams while stadiums are closed. This has happened because of sustained pressure from fans. Broadcasting all games means that, on two fronts, the situation is better than normal.

First, ALL fans, not just season ticket holders or regular match-goers, are now able to watch their team legally when they play league games. Second, those fans who would normally pay for a ticket to attend the match in person are paying less than they would per game to watch their team.

Of course, watching on TV is an inferior experience for regular match-going fans. And there will be a variety of views on what price properly reflects that. But the statements above remain true.

However, the price of £14.95 per game is too high. And because it is too high, it could have damaging effects – not just on individual’s finances at a time when many are stretched. It will encourage use of illegal streams, therefore diverting money from the game. And it will encourage people to gather in households and pubs to watch games together.

The current plan also penalises fans of those clubs less likely to be selected on the regular broadcast schedule. They will have to pay more to watch their team than fans of the so-called glamour clubs.
A cheaper price point would not only have been fairer, it would have had more chance of expanding the audience and generating more income. And it would have shown that the Premier League is aware of the situation people outside its bubble are in.

The devil, as always, is in the detail. We need to know whether or not existing customers of the broadcasters involved will have to pay the same as new ones. We need to know if fans who have already paid up front for all or part of their season ticket will be able to offset that against the pay-per-view deal. The situation at each club will be different, but these details matter.

We also need to know where the money is going – to the clubs, or to the TV companies. We understand broadcasters incur costs by televising games. We also understand that, despite its regular boasting about its financial success, the Premier League is being hit financially by the current pandemic. Few businesses give their products away for free, and they are especially unlikely to do so when income has been severely affected.

But we want to know how the Premier League arrived at the price point of £14.95. We would have hoped that, through the dialogue between the Premier League and the Football Supporters’ Association, fan groups would have been canvassed on price sensitivity. Needless to say, this didn’t happen. It is an opportunity missed.

The accumulated cost of subscriptions to BT Sport, Sky Sports, Amazon Prime, Premier Sports… along with the streaming fees for EFL Cup games and potentially FA Cup games in challenging fiscal times places additional stress on fans’ finances and that’s something the broadcasters, clubs and competition organisers must recognise. We understand that clubs did not want to link broadcast charges to season ticket packages because of the administrative burden. We don’t believe the answer is to pass the administrative and financial burden on to fans.

Despite the clubs reportedly voting unanimously for this, it didn’t take long for anonymous briefings to surface suggesting some clubs didn’t really agree with what they had voted for. That came in the face of almost universal condemnation of the decision. This suggests at least some clubs know they’ve got this badly wrong. So we’ll say this once again, simply, so it can’t be misunderstood.

Sit down with the fans. Agree a deal that works for everyone. And then we can all get back to enjoying football and dealing with the many pressing other problems in life.


THST Board
9 October 2020
That is a ridiculous price especially for ST holders.

They are totally out of touch with reality, where there are a shit load of illegal streams on the net.

A film on Youtube costs about 3 quid maybe 4. It’s priced in that range for a reason, it’s cheap enough for people to pay for it instead of looking for it illegally.

The PL should be priced in the same range, if it’s 4 quid they’d have a lot more people opting to pay for it.
 
That is a ridiculous price especially for ST holders.

They are totally out of touch with reality, where there are a shit load of illegal streams on the net.

A film on Youtube costs about 3 quid maybe 4. It’s priced in that range for a reason, it’s cheap enough for people to pay for it instead of looking for it illegally.

The PL should be priced in the same range, if it’s 4 quid they’d have a lot more people opting to pay for it.
I agree. For £5 and a guaranteed decent picture that isn't going to freeze, jerk or crash I'd happily pay as I think would many others. But at £15 I'd probably just stream it.
 
That is a ridiculous price especially for ST holders.

They are totally out of touch with reality, where there are a shit load of illegal streams on the net.

A film on Youtube costs about 3 quid maybe 4. It’s priced in that range for a reason, it’s cheap enough for people to pay for it instead of looking for it illegally.

The PL should be priced in the same range, if it’s 4 quid they’d have a lot more people opting to pay for it.
I agree. You'd think they'd make more money pricing it lower. But obviously they've thought about this. Sky have plenty of experience of PPV, so I presume they have pitched it knowing all that. Maybe it is about setting a precedent. They want to draw a line and dispel the idea of 'free' football on TV. They figure people will complain at first, then bit by bit it gets normalised and more and more people start to pay.

But even so I doubt Sky, BT and PL expected this degree of kick back. At some point the bad PR becomes too toxic for their product and they will have to revise prices.
 
I agree. You'd think they'd make more money pricing it lower. But obviously they've thought about this. Sky have plenty of experience of PPV, so I presume they have pitched it knowing all that. Maybe it is about setting a precedent. They want to draw a line and dispel the idea of 'free' football on TV. They figure people will complain at first, then bit by bit it gets normalised and more and more people start to pay.

But even so I doubt Sky, BT and PL expected this degree of kick back. At some point the bad PR becomes too toxic for their product and they will have to revise prices.
I bet you Google did a shit load of research to price their films at 3-4 quid range.

It’s not some price off the top of someone’s head, they probably did a lot of statistical models based on shit load of data and their price allocation for an hour and a half of entertainment probably accurately reflects what the market is willing to pay for a legal viewing experience.

I don’t think watching a league game is the same as a one off PPV sporting event like a boxing match. You’ll have to pay for it every week if it’s not on TV, can’t price the two in the same way.
 
That is a ridiculous price especially for ST holders.

They arre totally out of touch with reality, where there are a shit load of illegal streams on the net.

A film on Youtube costs about 3 quid maybe 4. It’s priced in that range for a reason, it’s cheap enough for people to pay for it instead of looking for it illegally.

The PL should be priced in the same range, if it’s 4 quid they’d have a lot more people opting to pay for it.
I agree with your first sentence but even £3 is too much. I am saving loads of money due to cancelled holidays, less pub and restaurant visits etc but as a subscriber to sky I object to paying any extra for one off league matches. It is the principle that is the issue. Fans should be protesting this and boycotting it or we will find next year it will be that for all matches. It is the principle. If the club had said I could watch it like the friendlies for the same money via their services I would happily have agreed but not this with Sky and BT.
 
All games are shown on nbcsn and affiliates here. I just got peacock for $5 since they shifted a few games a week to promote the new service. I pay $70/mo. And get all games and Bundesliga, la liga and serie A
 
Have they thought about just not showing all the games? I’d rather that than charging people an arbitrary amount to watch the games like they’re doing. We don’t have to watch every match.
It's to do with season ticket holders. They purchase the right to see every home game. As that can't go and see them live they are being offered the chance to see the on the box.
 
I wonder if this is some kind of ploy, start at £14.99, then after the wave of anger drop it to £9.99 and people will think that's more reasonable, as opposed to starting at £10 then dropping to £7/8.

A bit like the time when Ryanair said they'd start charging passengers to use the toilet... They upped other fees and it didn't get so much outrage.
 
I still can’t believe there are people out there who pay for a Sky sports subscription let alone would consider paying for one off matches, IPTV is the way forward , it’s easy to use as well and you can stream every match you want to for about £70 a year.
 
I still can’t believe there are people out there who pay for a Sky sports subscription let alone would consider paying for one off matches, IPTV is the way forward , it’s easy to use as well and you can stream every match you want to for about £70 a year.
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Bemused' Piers Morgan leads football fans' fury after hundreds of people were allowed to attend events at the London Palladium despite supporters STILL being banned from stadiums... as Gary Lineker insists the rule 'makes no sense whatsoever'
Do not usually have any time for Morgan or Lineker but they are right,
 
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