I dont think our first team coaching is down to Kane. Most players have regressed, or stood still.
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I dont think our first team coaching is down to Kane. Most players have regressed, or stood still.
I'd never place the blame on the poor performances that have been coming consistantly from a few of our players on the manager, there is only so much a manager can do if you keep missing from 5 yards.
Dembele - Yes a good player, I disagree on not using him more he offer power and control under pressure other players don't have.
Capoue - too slow in this league at least for our style of play but will probably be ok back in France.
Stambouli - Same as Capoue.
A lot of talk about the players going but I would like to keep Dembele, Lamela and Fazio who have been rumoured to be on the way.
You know Gomes is going to have two world class matches next season don't you?
I'd say modric, berbatov, Carrick, Lloris, Rose, Dawson and walker to name but a few have done pretty well after joining spurs.
I'd say our hit rate is lower than our miss rate, but that's probably true for most clubs.
As for Willian being a success at Chelsea, you don't need to be Stephen Hawking to count his goals and assists.
As for Willian being a success at Chelsea, you don't need to be Stephen Hawking to count his goals and assists.
I see Gomes has no clue what he talks about. I do not think it is the club's fault that some players just can't play for shit since they were bought by us. We gave Soldado many chances to establish himself as a first team choice, we gave (and still give) Lamela chances but only recently he looked better, Paulinho comes on and he simply disappears in the match, no impact at all as a sub and the list goes on. Those players were not dropped because they were good, they just didn't perform.
Though his words were twisted it's still sad and bitter. Naturally he's upset about Paulinho but the boy is lacking in natural ability more than we've ruined him. He can't pass over ten yards and his shooting is generally apalling. This is our fault?
We had 5 England internationals at last call up and 4 u21 England internationals this summer. Bentaleb has improved under both Sherwood and Pochettino. Eriksen, Chadli, Vertonghen, and Lloris have lived up to the billing.
Going back further we helped mould Carrick, Berbatov, Modric, and Bale into players good enough to win Champions League. They left Spurs as finished articles. Furthermore, Lennon and Dawson both have had very respectable long careers, pre-injury Kaboul definitely doesn't regret leaving Pompey, Defoe and Keane thrived here, we made BAE (!!!!) into a top Premier league LB, 3 of the last 4 EPL young players of the year, Ledley King, and the most expensive player in the history of world football. We've developed top players over and over and that is clear in the teams that want to buy them.
Sure we've had failures, but it's pretty rich to act like we're the only ones. United had a heinous summer and have "ruined" Falcao and Di Maria, Liverpool are having an even worse time replacing Suarez than we had with Bale, their GD is -42 worse than last season, Chelsea "ruined" Torres and Svechenko, Lukaku was poor for Everton this season, in City's first Champions league game in 2011 they played Hart, Kompany, Zabaleta, Kolorov, Toure, Silva, Nasri, Dzeko and Aguero. Since then they've spent 350m and only Fernandinho and Demichelis have become first team regulars. £315m worth of talent "ruined".
Paulinho and Soldado are undoubted failures but surely these are massive outliers and to some extent out of the coaches control. Soldado didn't fit our one striker system and Paulinho isn't great. Even Lamela is beginning to improve. Our other failures are largely from depth players or cheaping out and getting substandard alternatives. Chiriches was a cheap depth punt from the Romanian league, Capoue was intended for depth as well, Dembele an ill fit Moutinho alternative, Fazio because Moreno broke his leg and Musaccio was too expensive, Adebayor was always a risk, Yedlin one for the future, Holtby bought simply because he was cheap, Stambouli instead of Schneiderlin, and Dempsey a cheap late signing. While the coaches need to coach the players they have certainly the majority of the blame has to fall on questionable recruitment.
Ultimately, we've had succeesses and failures like any club. Acting like we "ruin" players anymore than Liverpool, United, City or Chelsea is absurd. They just have more money to cover their faults.
We had 5 England internationals at last call up and 4 u21 England internationals this summer. Bentaleb has improved under both Sherwood and Pochettino. Eriksen, Chadli, Vertonghen, and Lloris have lived up to the billing.
Going back further we helped mould Carrick, Berbatov, Modric, and Bale into players good enough to win Champions League. They left Spurs as finished articles. Furthermore, Lennon and Dawson both have had very respectable long careers, pre-injury Kaboul definitely doesn't regret leaving Pompey, Defoe and Keane thrived here, we made BAE (!!!!) into a top Premier league LB, 3 of the last 4 EPL young players of the year, Ledley King, and the most expensive player in the history of world football. We've developed top players over and over and that is clear in the teams that want to buy them.
Sure we've had failures, but it's pretty rich to act like we're the only ones. United had a heinous summer and have "ruined" Falcao and Di Maria, Liverpool are having an even worse time replacing Suarez than we had with Bale, their GD is -42 worse than last season, Chelsea "ruined" Torres and Svechenko, Lukaku was poor for Everton this season, in City's first Champions league game in 2011 they played Hart, Kompany, Zabaleta, Kolorov, Toure, Silva, Nasri, Dzeko and Aguero. Since then they've spent 350m and only Fernandinho and Demichelis have become first team regulars. £315m worth of talent "ruined".
Paulinho and Soldado are undoubted failures but surely these are massive outliers and to some extent out of the coaches control. Soldado didn't fit our one striker system and Paulinho isn't great. Even Lamela is beginning to improve. Our other failures are largely from depth players or cheaping out and getting substandard alternatives. Chiriches was a cheap depth punt from the Romanian league, Capoue was intended for depth as well, Dembele an ill fit Moutinho alternative, Fazio because Moreno broke his leg and Musaccio was too expensive, Adebayor was always a risk, Yedlin one for the future, Holtby bought simply because he was cheap, Stambouli instead of Schneiderlin, and Dempsey a cheap late signing. While the coaches need to coach the players they have certainly the majority of the blame has to fall on questionable recruitment.
Ultimately, we've had succeesses and failures like any club. Acting like we "ruin" players anymore than Liverpool, United, City or Chelsea is absurd. They just have more money to cover their faults.
And Gomes drops the ball...
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...-tottenham-im-still-a-spurs-fan-10264667.html
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...-tottenham-im-still-a-spurs-fan-10264667.html
He has a point, but other clubs "ruin" players too.
I'll give him as much: Lamela, Soldado, Paulinho etc. were very good players when they joined us, and it's impossible that it's down to the fact that they always were shit players imposing as internationals, that they are now not performing for us.
Questions have to be asked about how we manage players as assets as well as humans.
It's not like they are cokeheads, Balotellis or alcoholics either.
I'll give him as much: Lamela, Soldado, Paulinho etc. were very good players when they joined us, and it's impossible that it's down to the fact that they always were shit players imposing as internationals, that they are now not performing for us.
Questions have to be asked about how we manage players as assets as well as humans.
It's not like they are cokeheads, Balotellis or alcoholics either.
so are some of our "supporters"
I still can't wrap my head around Soldado. How he absolutely killed it in one league and was as good as I am in the Premier League blows my mind.
Slate one person = shit support.
Slate 75% of the squad and want them sold, and demand the man building us a new stadium should leave and is a cunt = good support
Does Gomes really have a point, though? Spurs don't seem to ruin anyone any more than the other big 6 clubs do -- non-story, honestly. He's just bitter (rightfully so, I suspect) over the way Levy handled getting him transferred.
Bloody good post, was just about to write much of that - Falcao, Navas, Markovic- they all came with big reputations and have bombed this season. Certainly not exclusive to Spurs.
Like everything else in football transfers and squads have become increasingly complex and the process of signing players, keeping people happy, agents, image rights, fitness complexity has all become more problematic. Add to that since the bosman, player power, the world becoming smaller and more choice for players to go and more money in the game and what do you get - a minefield
I am all for more investment in youth development OR getting firmly established players, it seems anything between these stalls is a hot mess
Put it this way, after all the money spent, Man City have fielded 7 or 8 of the same players since 2011, probably pissed away the best part of 400mil and seen no improvement, and they have far more choice than us. Scouting purely horrific.
We don't ruin talent, the "talent" is just overpriced and with the Billionaire clubs and likes of Chelsea able to hold so many players on loan, the standard we can attract is further diminished.
I am all for more investment in youth development OR getting firmly established players, it seems anything between these stalls is a hot mess
Put it this way, after all the money spent, Man City have fielded 7 or 8 of the same players since 2011, probably pissed away the best part of 400mil and seen no improvement, and they have far more choice than us. Scouting purely horrific.
We don't ruin talent, the "talent" is just overpriced and with the Billionaire clubs and likes of Chelsea able to hold so many players on loan, the standard we can attract is further diminished.