Surprised to see West Ham so far down the list, them having won the World Cup and all...
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No probs, it's pretty much the figures I was thinking of. For quite a while we were 2nd to Man U, but then Liverpool's greater capacity saw them overtake us. (again IIRC)Sorry Greavsie it was a screenshot I took a while back, and I can't remember what site is was.
Newcastle were featured prominently in the film Goal: Living the dream. What have Forest done recently that compares with this public relations coup?Would be interested to see how the table relates based on the modern era (post war).
e.g. Newcastle listed higher than Leeds and Forest for trophies despite winning nothing since 1955?
Of course most/all of the criteria are open to debate. But the player quality involves a historical element, and as such I think it's not unreasonable to judge that in our history we've had better players than Chelsea or City. Though IIRC, a lot/all of the weighting is derived from English players, which is obviously totally skewed if true.According to that 100% scientific chart, our "player quality" is better than Chelsea's or City's!
You can always argue about these lists for sure. For example, to me we are not bigger than Chelsea historically now. That changed without doubt IMO when they became the first London club, indeed the first Southern club to win the CL/EC. Coupled with the the facts that they have won more trophies than us, including more of the 'big 2' trophies, means they are now bigger than us both in terms of the present and overall history.Those lists are always rubbish, it's impossible to quantify criteria to sort the "size of a club". It's more of a general vibe.
The traditional top 5 (Man U, pool, Everton, us, south london cunts) are still bigger as a club historically, the Chavs and city still have a long way to go on that account. Plus, how can you take this list seriously when small time west ham are ahead of leeds?
vthat's because you're an idiot. fuck a truce.
Chelsea who used to have 11K attendances back in the days are a big 5 club by your mark because of a 10 years spell but by your method we judge a club based on 125 years and that's why we're not? Dementia struck a bit early with you because your logic fails .You can always argue about these lists for sure. For example, to me we are not bigger than Chelsea historically now. That changed without doubt IMO when they became the first London club, indeed the first Southern club to win the CL/EC. Coupled with the the facts that they have won more trophies than us, including more of the 'big 2' trophies, means they are now bigger than us both in terms of the present and overall history.
City is a more difficult matter, but the fact that they have won three titles since we last won the title (including one in 68) means they now just edge it for me. I look at all of history, but give more weighting to the present and recent past than the remote football past in making my judgement calls on this issue. So, for me, City are now part of the 'historical big 5' as well as the current big 5, but I can easily see that people can validly argue against that. Chelsea I don't see how people can, but they probably will, such is the nature of these lists.
Also I don't agree we are part of a 'traditional big 5'. Professional football has been going for about 125 years in this country, for the majority of that time we haven't been part of the top 5 clubs. I would say maximum we've been part of a top 5/'big 5' for 40% of that time and more realistically only about 35%.
Post-war (since 1945) we were part of the top 5 for most of the time, but there was an awful lot of football history in this country prior to then.
I think this list is more accurate than one that most fans would come up with. Indeed if you put Villa joint 6th along with us and Everton it's remarkably accurate regarding the biggest 7 clubs in England, with the obvious anomaly that Pool should be 2nd and Woolwich 3rd. Though it is funny to see a bit of media bias against Liverpool for once
Normally when people are rude to me, I just put them straight on ignore but as you are wrong about Chelsea and I am right, I can't resist replying before I do soChelsea who used to have 11K attendances back in the days are a big 5 club by your mark because of a 10 years spell but by your method we judge a club based on 125 years and that's why we're not? Dementia struck a bit early with you because your logic fails .
Basically: pre WWI history means shite, interwar period is decorative but not very significant, we judge clubs by their size after WWII when football became more professional.
Normally when people are rude to me, I just put them straight on ignore but as you are wrong about Chelsea and I am right, I can't resist replying before I do so
You say we judge clubs by their size after WWII, well since during that time period Chelsea have won 20 trophies to our 15, how wrong are you, very (Shortly to be 21 when Chelsea win yet another Prem to our 15)
http://www.krysstal.com/trophies.html
Furthermore of the 'big 2' trophies (Champions and CL/EC) Chelsea have won 5 (shortly to be 6) we have won 2, so how wrong are you now??? Very!
I won't comment on our respective faculties, just who understands more about post-WWII football. Clearly, from this exchange, it's me.
Oh, and as Jim Royle would say, 'Dementia, my arse!!'