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The reason you're getting panned for this post is because a lot of us feel like we've been here over and again - the same old objections about safe standing come out and every one of them is fruitless. The comments you make are the comments that everyone makes when they haven't actually looked into what safe standing really means. And it's those comments that are holding back the proper discussion over whether or not we should be bringing it in - people asserting a somewhat ignorant viewpoint rather than actually looking at the proposal.I was fairly young when all seater stadiums rolled out and I was absolutely delighted standing was ended. It used to be awful at times in the east stand, and when I state “at times” I mean the “bigger” games. It was fine when 17,000 were rolling in for a nothing game on a drab Wednesday night....
But, at those bigger matches the turnstile staff would only stop letting people in when they realised it was time to clock off, £10 got you in no matter what the capacity might or might not have been, there was no regard for the safety of the fans. We were cattle and many fans were happy to play the BSE cow role and they kept em coming.
You would need the good luck of a lottery winner to be standing in the same spot for 90 minutes, or at a barrier point or the end of Aisle, Christ if you got the end of the Aisle for a while game..... It was the law of the jungle back then, faced on a regular basis with bigger, meaner or more pissed than you people, move over you did!
The only thing close to that I have encountered under all seating arrangements is when we had the WHL finale last year and all kinds of absolute tossers found their way into block 31 - clearly without tickets (( That’s a disgrace by the way and something the Club did not do enough to apologise for - those that bunked in were not “fans” and i’ll never forget that dozey scouse lass standing behind us chearfully informing people she had never been to a football game before and got in for a bung on the turnstile or the hygienically challenged prick who stood in front on me in the same Row - pissed of course ))
Back in the “good old days” the drunks were awful (( all drunks are annoying unless you too are drunk)) people would literally piss on others rather than go out to the toilet, the rucks and shoving was always going on and essentially Human decency was a highly questionable concept, honestly it makes me cringe how bad it could be and most of it was driven by poor stadium management, there were simply too many people in sections and no way to verify who should be there and who should be elsewhere. Under Seating conditions you seldom have those problems.
To suggest now that we fans were all hugging each other while singing the Sideboard Song is to ignore the truth. It was unsafe on too many occasions and there is a lot of historic examples of crowd problems that have simply not been as replicated under seating conditions (although I have still seen pockets of ridiculous behaviour at various stadiums including our own)
I feel that any reversion to standing would need to find a way ensure that stewards could keep areas from being overloaded, then it has a potential to be controlled and then be “safe” but how can it be done if it’s not managed and what club will really want £8.75 an hour staff managing the issue?
I feel with a seat you are either in it or not ( in theory at least as let’s be honest we have all had the pissed Cunt on a child’s ticket bundle into our rows to “stand with me mates” despite paying 50% less than we have) the seats create the natural boundary, that’s important with huge groups of people, no seat, no boundary = problems.
So for me, drop the romantic point of view from the debate and focus on the real challenges of crowd management under standing conditions I remain completely against the “safe standing” concept as I do not believe it would be safe, but if there is a way, let’s all hear it.
Now one other and complex thing to consider is have we, as a society, moved on from loutish behaviour at football? Are the current / next generation simply more likely to have a smoothy than 6 pints of Stella and some rancid Chic King in a grease soaked box ? And could thus self govern the areas of standing ? I am not seeing it yet, although I feel cynical in saying that. Apologies if I am.
How the fuck you keep spouting your idiotic bollocks get banned and are then allowed back here, is of the great mysteries of the universe.Strange, I just left a post but it didn't register, so here goes again.
The attending football fan is someone who attends matches, unlike most forum members. You chose to replay to a post I edited which said "footballer".
The remark I made regarding transsexuals was a joke, but regrettably there is a generation who have spent so much time on Facemouth and Twatter they don't understand humour. That said, I do actually believe that transsexuals use up a lot of NHS time and money, and should either learn to live with the cards they were dealt, or finance the treatment themselves.
Forum members on some sites do not reflect the vast majority of football supporters that attend games. Pop into the Brewers post match and tell anyone in there you think multiculturalism is a workable concept, diversity is brilliant, or the LGBT community are normal, and there is a good chance you will be hung from a lamp post.
I'm coming up to 70 and I too find your opinions on people who aren't the same as you to be utterly reprehensible. Don't try to associate older people with your warped philosophies. Many of us have learned humanity, acceptance and understanding through age. Clearly, you haven't yet, but there's still time. Perhaps you should save your prejudice for Mailonline, where you'll be among friends, until you find time to sit back and ask yourself why it is that you have such an irrational hatred of transgender people. I suppose in years gone by you supported 'queerbashing' and before that, your ancestors threw stones at 'witches'?it's not something you need to worry about. You can stay at home, watch the games on SKY, drink your Coke, eat your crisps, and go on Facebook. Sorted
A black fella definitely knobbed your wife, didn't he?LOL. It's the man in the street that has right wing views. Liberal views tend to be held by the middle class, who don't actually have to live amongst the people they defend, BBC employees, council management, and teachers, who are just a bunch of nut cases only
Strange, I just left a post but it didn't register, so here goes again.
The attending football fan is someone who attends matches, unlike most forum members. You chose to replay to a post I edited which said "footballer".
The remark I made regarding transsexuals was a joke, but regrettably there is a generation who have spent so much time on Facemouth and Twatter they don't understand humour. That said, I do actually believe that transsexuals use up a lot of NHS time and money, and should either learn to live with the cards they were dealt, or finance the treatment themselves.
Forum members on some sites do not reflect the vast majority of football supporters that attend games. Pop into the Brewers post match and tell anyone in there you think multiculturalism is a workable concept, diversity is brilliant, or the LGBT community are normal, and there is a good chance you will be hung from a lamp post.
Regrettably there are a number of reasons why the atmosphere has died
This is Labour's Shadow Sports Minister. Get your survey responses in!Blimey ... just maybe there is a chance this will happen ...
Safe-standing: Government begins talks over possible review
Major breakthrough for safe standing after government talks
Safe standing boost for Premier League and Championship teams
The press seem to be getting behind this (at last) after the daft 'nobody wants it' response two months ago suddenly Tracey Crouch is falling all over herself to hold meetings before the 'debate' on the 25th June ... I guess she doesn't want to look a complete idiot all over again ...
"The sports minister has not shut the door to fans keen on standing sections being introduced but it is important that all the evidence and viewpoints are considered extremely carefully."
Those nice shiny new seats in the South Stand could all be on e-bay soon ... lol .....
Genuine supporters. As categorised by your cabal of gammon in the pub.I also post on political sites, and do my best to find one's with left wing posters. I particularly like this site because it is so totally unrepresentative of genuine supporters. Honestly, getting abuse just makes me laugh, you would probably be better off being nice to me if you want me to leave.
Of course he’s racist. In the aftermath of Grenfell he posted ‘so what if a few foreigners got cooked?’ The cunt deleted it before I could quote it.Did I call you racist?