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Fuck off shit threadNo mate, you should participate - it's been very calm so far
I would have to wait to see what happens during Ange's reign and after it. ENIC have consistently made mistakes and are impatient at times. The board won't be too pleased if Villa get a CL spot and we don't. We had Poch for 5 years, then we went in a different direction with the manager and hired Mourinho. Sacked him on the eve of the cup final. We embarked on a joke of a managerial search when the much heralded Paratici was DOF and ended up with Nuno that came to a swift end. Then Conte another win now manager but did very well in the short term but again not surprised his end came. The board thought his assistant would do better but ended up sacking him as well.
If you go back further down the time line to Arnesen and Jol we had a reputation for bringing in young talent, But we didn't stick to it. After the first season where Jol got 5th, they went behind his back and tried to get Ramos.. Eventually Ramos was hired he won us are one and only cup under ENIC. Next season 2 points from 8 games they panic and hire Redknapp who doesnt want to work with a DOF and he does much better than expected.
What if Lange gets sacked or takes a job elsewhere and Ange says like Poch he doesn't want DOF, what would ENIC do? Or if he does want to work with a DOF, will it take them a year or two to appoint one like they have done in the past? Which in the mean time means Levy getting heavily involved again.
So in summary, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, I shall wait to see what happens during and after Ange's reign.
If you go back further down the time line to Arnesen and Jol we had a reputation for bringing in young talent, But we didn't stick to it. After the first season where Jol got 5th, they went behind his back and tried to get Ramos.. Eventually Ramos was hired he won us are one and only cup under ENIC. Next season 2 points from 8 games they panic and hire Redknapp who doesnt want to work with a DOF and he does much better than expected.
What if Lange gets sacked or takes a job elsewhere and Ange says like Poch he doesn't want DOF, what would ENIC do? Or if he does want to work with a DOF, will it take them a year or two to appoint one like they have done in the past? Which in the mean time means Levy getting heavily involved again.
So in summary, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, I shall wait to see what happens during and after Ange's reign.
That’s not very 2024 though.
You’d still need to make a reel and a TikTok showing you do it.
Been an Enic/ Levy critic for a long time now. For me they've made some horrible decisions over the years which have impacted the lack of footballing success massively whilst all the time rewarding themselves with huge bonuses. No doubt they would argue this is because of the finances being in order but this is a FOOTBALL CLUB and on that front they have failed. Watching the Amazon Doc I genuinely stunned how much Levy seemed to be around the team on a day to day basis. Just didn't feel right to me and even more reason for him to be held responsible.
Our current situation with P&S thing is definitely worthy of some praise. Was it all part of some master plan? Not necessarily convinced and it's only because most our rivals have struggled with it that seems to have given us an advantage. To be fair they might have had some idea this would be the case and Danny boy has banged the sustainability drum for sometime.
The Stadium and all the NFL/Beyonce/Go karts etc should hopefully help us continue to maintain and grow this advantage so again credit where it's due and all that.
So do I trust our owners? I've had too many years of disappointment and hurt to be fully on board but I'm hopeful they're starting to get things right. Bout bloody time though!!
Our current situation with P&S thing is definitely worthy of some praise. Was it all part of some master plan? Not necessarily convinced and it's only because most our rivals have struggled with it that seems to have given us an advantage. To be fair they might have had some idea this would be the case and Danny boy has banged the sustainability drum for sometime.
The Stadium and all the NFL/Beyonce/Go karts etc should hopefully help us continue to maintain and grow this advantage so again credit where it's due and all that.
So do I trust our owners? I've had too many years of disappointment and hurt to be fully on board but I'm hopeful they're starting to get things right. Bout bloody time though!!
You've made 2 incorrect assumptions. Firstly, I can't 'start to trust ENIC again', because I never trusted them in the first place. Secondly, they can't 'restore my faith in them', because I've never had faith in them.@Doom Funk
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Let me ask this question, what do ENIC have to do to restore your faith in them so you can start to trust them again? (apart from leave)
You'd have to be naive to trust someone for whom Tottenham is just a rich man's plaything, or at best a business venture. There are a few football club owners who are first & foremeost fans - I don't see ENIC in that way, so I don't trust them.
Ha Ha..Shady is one of 'The Most Ignored ' posters on the forum as so many find his nauseating love affair with Daniel Levy so unpalatable they've blocked him.
They won't even be aware of any poll. .
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Stratford. European money league. Villa Ticket pricing scandal. Frazer Campbell. Anchor Tennants. Nuno appointment, Serial trophy dodgers. Furlough. Highest boardroom Salaries. 0 domestic cups since 2008. Best players wanting out. Self confessed involvement for financial gain only. No desire to win. winning is hard
Highest ticket prices in the world. Previous managers calling them out. Profit over Glory.....Majority owner awaiting sentencing for fraud having locked up his shares in some dodgy 'family trust'
And yet another trophyless season on the horizon
Yeah. Sure.... I'm 100% backing them . .
They won't even be aware of any poll. .
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Stratford. European money league. Villa Ticket pricing scandal. Frazer Campbell. Anchor Tennants. Nuno appointment, Serial trophy dodgers. Furlough. Highest boardroom Salaries. 0 domestic cups since 2008. Best players wanting out. Self confessed involvement for financial gain only. No desire to win. winning is hard
Highest ticket prices in the world. Previous managers calling them out. Profit over Glory.....Majority owner awaiting sentencing for fraud having locked up his shares in some dodgy 'family trust'And yet another trophyless season on the horizon
Yeah. Sure.... I'm 100% backing them . .
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Place your vote and man the fuck up you blob. Stop hiding .
We're all on tenterhooks waiting
Ha! Within 2 minutes of me posting this, the middle option gets a voteWith so many posters claiming to be 'ENIC Neutral', I'm surprised the fence option, the one bang in the middle with zero bias either way, has yet to receive a single vote!
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Supporting Spurs for 46 years and prior to Ange it was becoming harder and harder to have faith in Levy & Co. Yes we have the stadium, the training grounds and most of the infrastructure required to succeed, but the facts are the trophy cabinet has been bare and dusty a long time. Top that off with Jose and Conte ball and its clear why the feeling about the club amongst fans was getting so toxic.
As a part time Celtic fan I had worries about Ange taking our job, not because I did not think he could succeed, but because I worried he would not be backed and both Spurs and Celtic would then suffer.
Currently we have a top manager in Ange, playing the type of football we want to see. We have a much improved scouting/recruitment setup with Paratici working wonders with some of his signings. We are also very compliant with FFP and lets face it FFP should play into Levys hands.
My worries would be if something goes awry, we lose Ange or our recruitment goes to pants again. Historically it has taken us way too long to rectify issues like this and I would not have a lot of faith in that improving going forward.
In summary my feeling of trust in the club has improved, however their way of handling fans issues needs to improve and I will wait until I see some silverware or persistent challenging for same before all faith is restored. We are heading in the right direction again, but it will take more than a few months of improvement to convince many that this is not just another false dawn.
As a part time Celtic fan I had worries about Ange taking our job, not because I did not think he could succeed, but because I worried he would not be backed and both Spurs and Celtic would then suffer.
Currently we have a top manager in Ange, playing the type of football we want to see. We have a much improved scouting/recruitment setup with Paratici working wonders with some of his signings. We are also very compliant with FFP and lets face it FFP should play into Levys hands.
My worries would be if something goes awry, we lose Ange or our recruitment goes to pants again. Historically it has taken us way too long to rectify issues like this and I would not have a lot of faith in that improving going forward.
In summary my feeling of trust in the club has improved, however their way of handling fans issues needs to improve and I will wait until I see some silverware or persistent challenging for same before all faith is restored. We are heading in the right direction again, but it will take more than a few months of improvement to convince many that this is not just another false dawn.
Even if we didn’t have levy. I wouldn’t want our chairman around the players & manager so much. Acting like you’re one of them. Act like a chairman. Get out their way!
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Let me ask this question, what do ENIC have to do to restore your faith in them so you can start to trust them again? (apart from leave)
A more pertinent question would be How many more managers, and how many more years of coming up short are you prepared to give them before you start doubting them
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Let me ask this question, what do ENIC have to do to restore your faith in them so you can start to trust them again? (apart from leave)
I've always had faith in the ENIC model, despite its flaws, because I know that eventually they get things right. As I've said on here many times, each time we've lost a star player we've gone on to achieve the goals we weren't supposed to be able to achieve without them. With Berbatov, it was CL qualification. With Bale, it was consistent CL qualification and competing for top honours. With Kane, it was actually winning top honours. If this pattern continues, we are on course to win trophies in the not too distant future.
The DoF role has been an under-appreciated role for years. Damien Comolli brought Dimitar Berbatov, Gareth Bale and Luka Modric to the club. His reward was blame for the catastrophic start to the 08/09 season and the sack while Harry Redknapp, who refused to work under a DoF, got the credit for being our saviour and unearthing two Premier League superstars. I'm not trying to slate Harry here (I loved what he did for us) but Comolli was unfortunate in that Bale and Modric didn't show their true value until long after he was gone.
I think DoFs are more appreciated today than they were 16 years ago. Back then, the media narrative was that they were a destabilising influence that undermined a manager's authority. If we go back 10 years before that when David Pleat was hired as our first DoF, the title Director of Football was met with derision. It took time for DoFs to acquire the status they currently have in the game.
The DoF role has been an under-appreciated role for years. Damien Comolli brought Dimitar Berbatov, Gareth Bale and Luka Modric to the club. His reward was blame for the catastrophic start to the 08/09 season and the sack while Harry Redknapp, who refused to work under a DoF, got the credit for being our saviour and unearthing two Premier League superstars. I'm not trying to slate Harry here (I loved what he did for us) but Comolli was unfortunate in that Bale and Modric didn't show their true value until long after he was gone.
I think DoFs are more appreciated today than they were 16 years ago. Back then, the media narrative was that they were a destabilising influence that undermined a manager's authority. If we go back 10 years before that when David Pleat was hired as our first DoF, the title Director of Football was met with derision. It took time for DoFs to acquire the status they currently have in the game.
I'm encouraged, but not fully on board. Paratici took the recruitment up several levels from Ndombele and Sessegnon. But then I'm not sure how involved he is currently and we go and sign Werner in January when the league is wide open this season, which gave me Saha and Nelsen vibes when we had a chance with Harry that year.
Also, have to see what befalls Chelsea and Man City. If they only get ten points deducted after sweeping up all the trophies for years, it'd be hard to feel satisfied that we "did it the right way" for 1 league cup. Chelsea's new owners seem determined to ruin them whatever happens.
It's wait and see I think.
Also, have to see what befalls Chelsea and Man City. If they only get ten points deducted after sweeping up all the trophies for years, it'd be hard to feel satisfied that we "did it the right way" for 1 league cup. Chelsea's new owners seem determined to ruin them whatever happens.
It's wait and see I think.
I've been indecisive about the ENIC in or out debate, but had the overriding thought that they have reaped in the money without spending beyond our means, with all the attendant frustrations that brings to us supporters over the years. In defence of that, personally, I don't want to be a club that spends the most - I quite like being the smallest of the so-called big clubs, if that makes sense.
However, that 'policy' seems to have now put us in an even better place financially, with certain other clubs having major issues. However (again), Levy et al couldn't have predicted FFP/PSR so their financial prudence in getting us to this position is one of luck, I guess, although being financially prudent will usually provide good things in the long run anyway, and be less due to 'luck'.
However (again, again), let's not forget that we were ESL-bound, and Levy must have known the fan's feelings on this before he signed up. Even if it wasn't the majority of fans (and we'll never know that for sure) he made a hugely unpopular decision only reversed because he had to. But the key thing is that he was for it first and foremost (the whole ESL debate thing is another issue not for here).
So, is he / they trustworthy? No, absolutely not but with the caveat of be careful of what you wish for, grass isn't greener, etc, and all the other clichés that go with it.
Edit: finance is probably one of things I know least about so I realise that I can be over-simplistic on such matters.
However, that 'policy' seems to have now put us in an even better place financially, with certain other clubs having major issues. However (again), Levy et al couldn't have predicted FFP/PSR so their financial prudence in getting us to this position is one of luck, I guess, although being financially prudent will usually provide good things in the long run anyway, and be less due to 'luck'.
However (again, again), let's not forget that we were ESL-bound, and Levy must have known the fan's feelings on this before he signed up. Even if it wasn't the majority of fans (and we'll never know that for sure) he made a hugely unpopular decision only reversed because he had to. But the key thing is that he was for it first and foremost (the whole ESL debate thing is another issue not for here).
So, is he / they trustworthy? No, absolutely not but with the caveat of be careful of what you wish for, grass isn't greener, etc, and all the other clichés that go with it.
Edit: finance is probably one of things I know least about so I realise that I can be over-simplistic on such matters.