Are the next generation of fans getting excluded from matchday experiences?

[Wellsey]

When the club stopped local supporters clubs getting tickets en bloc we lost a community of Spurs fans in the Deal/Dover area of all ages. We would get about 80 tickets most home games putting on coaches to cater for disabled, pensioners and more importantly kids.
Those kids are now in their thirties and still fans!
The being will there be any young Spurs fans to follow them with tickets so expensive and hard to get?

 

[brumspur]

It’s nice you feel that way.

Personally if I’m not going to games I struggle to feel the same emotional attachment.

I don’t think you can compare the supporting experience of watching a game on the tv to going to a match. However hard sky etc try to create a buzz around it.

Getting ready, getting there, anticipation of kick off, the game, post match whatever and the long happy or unhappy journey home.
Can you really compare that to pressing a button on your tv remote control and sitting on a couch?

I just can’t.

But we’re all different. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

100% agree - my Sunday was a train to King’s Cross a few quick pints in the dolphin a little sing song on the escort to the ground - buzzing in the ground and the absolute scenes and limbs as we twice equalised celebrating at the final whistle and winding up Woolwich fans on the way out wouldnt swap it for anything COYS

 

[Deleted member 13260]

When the club stopped local supporters clubs getting tickets en bloc we lost a community of Spurs fans in the Deal/Dover area of all ages. We would get about 80 tickets most home games putting on coaches to cater for disabled, pensioners and more importantly kids.
Those kids are now in their thirties and still fans!
The being will there be any young Spurs fans to follow them with tickets so expensive and hard to get?

I went up with the Dover coaches a few times in the Jol era with my youngest brother who was about 10.

The bus had most adults smoking on there, empty beer cans rolling up and down every time the driver used the brakes, constant drunk shouting and even chanting "yido" at Jewish families they saw that had nothing to do with the game just going about their business looking very uncomfortable.

Stopped going after that, bunch of animals. Wasn't child friendly at all, though a good dozen kids were being primed into being the next generation of that type of fan.

 

[BernardMatthews]

100% agree - my Sunday was a train to King’s Cross a few quick pints in the dolphin a little sing song on the escort to the ground - buzzing in the ground and the absolute scenes and limbs as we twice equalised celebrating at the final whistle and winding up Woolwich fans on the way out wouldnt swap it for anything COYS

100%. Been a while since I’ve done the emirates but yeah dolphin before, hopping on the tube as a large group, crossing over that little bridge with a police escort and then making some noise in their shithole. Happy days. Although I’ve never seen us win there!



Can’t be compared to the live tv experience. Can it??

 

[brumspur]

People have been excluded for years but, fortunately, there are those of us who know how to engage with football without attending matches.

Between Sky, TNT, the BBC, Talksport and the WeAreTottenham watchalongs, I don't miss a single game and I don't have to go looking around for dodgy streams.

2023 is a great time to be an armchair fan. One thing I might do is go and see the U21s when they next play at Stevenage. The Lamex Stadium is very easy to get to from where I live.

Very good points - and the u21’s are playing some lovely stuff so well worth a visit if you do get to a game

 

[Shades]

They don't want these young fans with limited funds.. They much prefer some tourists who will attend one game and spend £200 in the Spurs shop and £50 on the Stadium food..

It is all too apparent on any match day..

Really feel for the youngsters. Going along with the Step Dad and squeezing through the turnstile with him and a fiver is slipped to the guy behind the grill.. Some may say it isn't morally right, but it was character building real world stuff and made sure true supporters were nurtured from an early age.. Trouble is we are now those who are seen as over paying for Season Tickets and of an age where they prefer younger supporters, all because we were caught on the hook when kids. I think all seating took away a lot of this opportunity as well.

 

[1chriswaddle]

1982 ( when I started going regularly) it was about £2 to get onto the Shelf. £2 then equates to about £9 in 2023. ST in safe standing averages out at close to £60 a game and will only get more expensive going forward- the match day experience we all grew up with and loved is sadly gone forever.

 

[Frankfurter]

Please excuse me if I interfere in internal matters!

In Germany, we fans have been having a discussion for a long time about the horrendous prices that you should/have to pay in England.
Unfortunately, our ticket prices are constantly being increased, but I think that we are complaining at a "high level" in Frankfurt at the moment.
A standing ticket for the 17 Bundesliga home games costs a maximum of 190 euros.
Frankfurt has expanded the Waldstadion and made the upper tier in the curve into standing room, so that we will grow from 51,500 to almost 60,000 spectators.
We've sold - and that's where we stopped - 30,000 season tickets for the season, mine currently costs 718 euros - but it's a perfect place!

A total of at least 15 Bundesliga (Red Bull piss, Wolfsburg, Ho$$enheim, Munich excepted) clubs agree that tickets must remain affordable and football must remain a sport for everyone.

It is clear that there are "outliers" here and there, but I believe that it is important to also involve the fan associations and not just see the so-called "hard economic result".
Especially since - again as an example of Eintracht Frankfurt - the club has made a huge leap forward with the jersey, scarf and advertising revenue.

My - admittedly naive - opinion is that it is better to avoid superstars with super salaries - what they are discussing here is that players like Kane, Messi, Ronaldo and all the others bring more advertising for the league than choreos and stadiums that are famous as "cauldrons". !

In this sense, I completely agree with the thread opener, if you want to take your child to the stadium and have something to eat and drink, then it shouldn't be true that you almost have to take out a loan for that (to put it bluntly).


That's it again and I'm gone...

 

[Nutter-Naylor]

I went up with the Dover coaches a few times in the Jol era with my youngest brother who was about 10.

The bus had most adults smoking on there, empty beer cans rolling up and down every time the driver used the brakes, constant drunk shouting and even chanting "yido" at Jewish families they saw that had nothing to do with the game just going about their business looking very uncomfortable.

Stopped going after that, bunch of animals. Wasn't child friendly at all, though a good dozen kids were being primed into being the next generation of that type of fan.

Spurs fans drinking, smoking and singing Yido are a 'bunch of animals'.

You must have led a sheltered life.

 

[N17-Tommo]

Spurs fans drinking, smoking and singing Yido are a 'bunch of animals'.

You must have led a sheltered life.

I saw someone spit once. It took me years and counselling to get over it.

 

[Deleted member 13260]

Spurs fans drinking, smoking and singing Yido are a 'bunch of animals'.

You must have led a sheltered life.

Smoking on a mini bus / coach with kids on there even before the smoking ban is poor form.

Being drunk and shouting / swearing your head off whilst responsible for or in front of kids is poor form.

Shouting "Yido" drunk from a bus window at groups of Orthodox Jews going about their non Tottenham related business is straight up offensive.

 

[Fattynomates]

Spurs fans drinking, smoking and singing Yido are a 'bunch of animals'.

 

[Nutter-Naylor]

Smoking on a mini bus / coach with kids on there even before the smoking ban is poor form.

Being drunk and shouting / swearing your head off whilst responsible for or in front of kids is poor form.

Shouting "Yido" drunk from a bus window at groups of Orthodox Jews going about their non Tottenham related business is straight up offensive.

The sanitisation and gentrification of football must have been a godsend to you.

 

[Deleted member 13260]

The sanitisation and gentrification of football must have been a godsend to you.

This is about 'the next generation of Spurs fans'.

When I was a drinking, smoking 19 year old taking my 10 year old brother, I wouldn't drink and only smoke outside. I was setting an example to him. When I went with my mates we would drink, smoke, take drugs, muck about etc - but still wouldn't have been shouting "yido" at random Jews.

I wouldn't want to give the impression that kind of behaviour was acceptable to a child - and that was my brother, not my own offspring.

Having grown up with a violent, alcoholic father I spent my teens and early 20s thinking acting in a similar way was in some way acceptable because of what I had observed. It wasn't and never was. There's nothing impressive, purist or whatever you are trying to suggest about exposing children to moronic behaviour from adults at football games.

 

[Miami Vice]

Any tips for how this Miami spurs fan can score 4 tickets to any home game? My wife, two kids, and I are planning a UK trip at some point and my #1 priority is getting Spurs tickets at the new stadium. Ideally, I’d like to have the Spurs tickets before getting my airline tickets and hotel. Is this realistic at all? Here in Miami… with Messi fever… getting tickets via phone app is not a problem as long as you are OK with paying $150-$200 for the worst seats in the stadium.

 

[Coys1955]

Any tips for how this Miami spurs fan can score 4 tickets to any home game? My wife, two kids, and I are planning a UK trip at some point and my #1 priority is getting Spurs tickets at the new stadium. Ideally, I’d like to have the Spurs tickets before getting my airline tickets and hotel. Is this realistic at all? Here in Miami… with Messi fever… getting tickets via phone app is not a problem as long as you are OK with paying $150-$200 for the worst seats in the stadium.

Well four tickets for any game at the moment won't be easy.

For a start you'll need a membership each before you can even attempt to purchase tickets from the club.

Then you can apply during the members sale window when about 7,000 tickets go on sale, but it will be very hard to get four tickets then as they usually sell out within minutes as soon as they go online; even two is difficult.

The next opportunity is the club's Ticket Exchange where season ticket holders can sell their tickets at face value (plus a handling fee added on by the club) if they can't go to the match; again four tickets will be difficult; four together will be almost impossible. You will still need a membership each.

If money is (almost) no object you could consider Premium Tickets. As an example there are four together on the Ticket Exchange in block 316 for Chelsea at (drum roll) £289 each... Oh and you still need memberships.

Finally there are Premium Matchday Packages. I have no idea what they cost though. Not sure if you need memberships, but I don't think even Levy would insist on that given the likely cost. Info here: Matchday Premium Options at Spurs

For all options you should probably forget child tickets as they are as rare as hens teeth; if you see four General Admission tickets in the members sale window or on the Exchange at any price, just grab them.

Good luck.

 

[Matt1882]

I don't even know how to take my 7 year old.
I can't set up up with a CRN because she hasn't got an email because she's too young to register.
Its a daft vicious circle.

 

[Matt1882]

Any tips for how this Miami spurs fan can score 4 tickets to any home game? My wife, two kids, and I are planning a UK trip at some point and my #1 priority is getting Spurs tickets at the new stadium. Ideally, I’d like to have the Spurs tickets before getting my airline tickets and hotel. Is this realistic at all? Here in Miami… with Messi fever… getting tickets via phone app is not a problem as long as you are OK with paying $150-$200 for the worst seats in the stadium.

On sale dates are listed on the website.
You will need an account each as a minimum. A paid membership will get you 1 or 2 days priority
You can't book tickets very far in advance though. No more than a month I'd say.

 

[Coys1955]

Smoking on a mini bus / coach with kids on there even before the smoking ban is poor form.

Being drunk and shouting / swearing your head off whilst responsible for or in front of kids is poor form.

Shouting "Yido" drunk from a bus window at groups of Orthodox Jews going about their non Tottenham related business is straight up offensive.

I think it was the kids.

 

[Coys1955]

On sale dates are listed on the website.
You will need an account each as a minimum. A paid membership will get you 1 or 2 days priority
You can't book tickets very far in advance though. No more than a month I'd say.

Along with 150,000* other priority members.

All matches up to and including Newcastle on 9 December have already been on sale and sold out.

*Or however many it is.