I think making Son captain has put a marker down saying unless he has a run of absolute shockers, then he'll be starting. I wouldn'tmind rotation between him and Ivan myself. Every time Perisic gets 2 yards of space he'll hit a decent area with his cross. The man just oozes class. I love Sonny as much as the next man, but feel he is one of our squad who is more suited to the counter attack style we employed under Jose and Conte.
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I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all. A player who doesn't contribute outside of G/A needs a hell of a lot more than 10/6 to not be poor. Imagine if a striker had those numbers.
He’s just not looking the same player. Whether he does turn that around or not, he’s not looked right for a long time. His numbers were decent but it’s caveated by him having a couple of wonder games rather than having any consistency. He went very large periods of time of doing nothing.
Our attacking options right now look weak unless Son gets back to his old self. The rest won’t score enough goals.
Early days yet. Still defensive issues to sort out but everyone who has spoken about ange type of play has said we could concede a lot of goals.
No-one said it's a GOOD year. He had a bad year, that's already acknowledged, but for some wide-men that's a GOOD year FFS!
Also last year (EPL):
Anthony: 4/2
Sancho: 9/6
Martial: 6/2
Mitoma: 7/6
Mudryk: 0/0
Olise: 2/11
.............I could go on.
Sonny's "shit" season crapped over the lot of them.... And more.
Denying Sonny his product in order to double down on a narrative is bogus.
You honestly think Ange would have given him the armband if he didn't even think he could do a job for us?????
Doesn't he have enough credit in the bank to be afforded less than 180mins in pre season to bed into the new system?
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The dogie bit is literally pronounced like doggie.
Most of those players had a bad years as well, the ones who didn't contributed a lot more than Son in other areas.
I think Ange does seem to think he can do the job as a winger, but I haven't seen any actual indication of that being the case. As we've seen last season, some players start due to political reasons, regardless of how they actually perform, I hope that won't be the case again.
You’re stretching things a bit to include 3 shit United wide players & Mudryk who arrived in Jan and has had a horrible time of it.
Mitoma & Olise valid examples but the former is rated because he’s easy on the eye more than for end product and the latter is very much considered more of a prospect and productivity limited by playing for Palace who were dogshit 2/3 of the season.
Son is a VERY end product focused player. His ball carrying is bad, he turns over the ball a lot, he’s not great at beating his marker, he doesn’t hold the ball up. What he does is score lots and he’s good at cut-backs & crossing.
With that context & the fact 6 of his 10 goals came in 2 games and his assists are aided by being a set piece taker, the numbers just aren’t nearly good enough.
Not really generating opinions.
Simply that people are starting to identify with Spurs more now.
Nuno, Jose and Conte turned away so many people with their approaches.
The simple fact is that outside of Salah, Son (usually) and the like, 10/6 is totally respectable output for a winger. It speaks volumes that we consider that a shit season for Sonny.
More from last season:
Mahrez: 5/10
Bowen: 6/6
Bowen had a dreadful season in a dreadful team and Mahrez played 1000 less minutes than Son.
I'm really not stretching anything..... The premise here is simple.
Son had a crap season by his standards (acknowledged several times over).......... And yet his product was still above average.
Of course, I could compare him to Rashford; (who had a banner year on the wing) but that would be futile given the pre-state acknowledgement that Son did indeed have a shit year by his standards. The above point about Anthony & co. is that while having a poor season he still out-produced a whole bunch of heralded and/or expensive wingers.
My interjection only came about because the other chap denied Son the due credit of his product and called it stat-wankery (paraphrase).
(Lets be honest.... if we weren't so defensively awful and devoid of any kind of meaningful midfield, some of those G&As would have helped us secure EL or at least ECL footy.)
There is a very simple solution to this argument. FIFA has a coefficient for each confederation based on head to head results and success in the World Cup. Historically, CONMEBOL has a higher coefficient than UEFA. It is always very close. This notion that CONMEBOL football is “shit” and UEFA is far superior is utter bullshit, and it is proven statistically.
(See above)
The bloke literally just wrote "okay a couple of shaky moments"
All I am saying is that it was a single game. Let’s see how he does over a period of multiple games.
Ah, it read somewhat different....... My bad? Dunno........ Maybe.
All good. It is just way too early to judge him.
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I'm not posting this cos I buy into it (I was actually trying to find a top scoring widemen 22/23 list); but it's topically fun:
Top 20 Best wingers in the Premier League 2024
The Premier League is home to some of the most creative wingers in world football. We all know how strong the EPL has become, and wide players are expected to be creative in their approach to the opponent’s defence. The Top 20 best wingers in the EPL this season include Bukayo Saka, Phil Foden...
interestingfootball.com
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Wingers with Most Goals Scored - Premier League 2022/2023 season
A full list of Wingers who are top goalscorers in the Premier League in the 2022/2023 Season.
www.footballcritic.com
They don't seem to list Sonny as a winger (doh!), but 10/6 leaves him top 8: