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Elaborate please, you don't think such a midfield three is possible for us?
 
I see what you mean, but i don't really mean next game. I think it is important to create some sort of vision or philosophy. All succesful teams in history (bar champions league winning Chelsea) have had clear ideas about how to line up and play their game/style. I feel we miss such an own style. Like Arjun pointed out above "we need to stick to a system and work with it and it WILL pay off".
Hi Dutchy, I take your point. But I don't think we have any clear vision or philosophy ATM, and don't see one emerging, so I just concentrate on game by game.

If I knew enough about football, I'd give you mine in detail. But I don't.

FWIW, I believe in talking about a 'front 6' a la Jol. I think one winger is normally enough. I like a lot of height and power in the team, where possible. Most of all, where players play well they keep their place as much as possible and winning is the key part of any philosophy.
 
until we have a medical team that can speed up the recovery, or minimise injuries and correct any weaknesses, be it training methods, physio etc, then we will never get that consistency, and we'll forever be fucking abaaht changing players, player roles etc.

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Elaborate please, you don't think such a midfield three is possible for us?

I think it is. But not with Sandro as the anchor...too little attack that way..basically play a reverse Barca with Eriksen at the top...Sandro bossing in the center paired with Holtby who feeds Eriksen who feeds the strikers and Lemela...I don't care who is on the left so long as it is not Sig.

Holtby is the most energetic mid we have, with some position training he needs to play over Dembele. Dembele's hip has really impacted his movements and he does not seem able to play 1-2s, but insists on 15 yard passes directly to the opposition.
 
I'd certainly be going with a 4-2-3-1 formation, still pressing in midfield but nowhere near as high up the pitch as AVB liked to play and with a focus on fast distribution from central midfield to the forwards. In an ideal world I'd have liked to keep Huddlestone for that formation (given a lack of evidence that Sandro / Capoue / Dembele / Paulinho are masters at spotting a forward pass) but given the players we have I'd go with:

DM/CM: Sandro (Capoue) / Dembele (Paulinho)
LM: Townsend (Chadli) / Eriksen (Sigurdsson) / Lamela (Lennon)

The only thing I'm unsure of is whether Lamela has the direct pace to exploit that system or whether he'd be better as an alternative to Eriksen in the middle, in order to provide a more direct threat on goal and 2nd forward when breaking fast (otherwise I doubt Eriksen would be bursting into the box to provide an option for the crossing wide player).

Playing infront of that line-up I think Soldado could flourish if we attacked forward with enough pace. He was absolutely the wrong player for AVB's team (as I may have mentioned at the start of the season) but for a fast breaking attack he could be devestating.
 
I'd certainly be going with a 4-2-3-1 formation, still pressing in midfield but nowhere near as high up the pitch as AVB liked to play and with a focus on fast distribution from central midfield to the forwards. In an ideal world I'd have liked to keep Huddlestone for that formation (given a lack of evidence that Sandro / Capoue / Dembele / Paulinho are masters at spotting a forward pass) but given the players we have I'd go with:

DM/CM: Sandro (Capoue) / Dembele (Paulinho)
LM: Townsend (Chadli) / Eriksen (Sigurdsson) / Lamela (Lennon)

The only thing I'm unsure of is whether Lamela has the direct pace to exploit that system or whether he'd be better as an alternative to Eriksen in the middle, in order to provide a more direct threat on goal and 2nd forward when breaking fast (otherwise I doubt Eriksen would be bursting into the box to provide an option for the crossing wide player).

Playing infront of that line-up I think Soldado could flourish if we attacked forward with enough pace. He was absolutely the wrong player for AVB's team (as I may have mentioned at the start of the season) but for a fast breaking attack he could be devestating.

No place for Holtby in there yet people want Bentaleb to start in a 4-4-2
 
Sandro and Dembele to take turns playing box to box and holding with Eriksen in free role. Sell Capoue! way out of his depth in the Premier League.

You're basing him "out of his depth" by him coming back from an injury and being forced into a position that he can cover for, but isn't his position. That is ridiculous. I don't expect Capoue to play much for the rest of the season because it seems, to me, that Sherwood would rather play Bentaleb or Sandro or any other midfielder than Capoue. I hope Capoue survives January. Hopefully we bring in de Boer in the summer and Capoue will regain his position at CDM.
 
Out of his depth? He was our best player when he was playing DM in the beginning of the season.

wow, i must be the only one to not be impressed. he was shocking against the gooners and was way off the pace. he should have been taken off at half time, but for some reason stayed on and then got injured. since he's been back, yes i know he has been playing out of position, but seems to lack aggression and awareness. watch the 1st WHU goal from last week and you will see where i'm coming from. i hope he proves me wrong wen he gets his chance again but i'm not holding my breath..
 
Timmy said that he doesn't necessarily care about formations, though for his youth teams he would primarily set up a 433 or a 4231.

I just want him to consistently start Eriksen in the midfield, and make it necessary to incorporate Lamela, whether on the wings, centrally, or in a free-ish role.

Along with this, if Timmy plays with one up top, he probably could slide away without putting an out-n-out holding/defensive midfielder, but whenever he decides to set up with a 442, he NEEDS that mold of a player in there, let it be Sandro, Capoue, or Bentaleb.
 
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