Why would it be a fluke to win one of these with the current team?
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Why would it be a fluke to win one of these with the current team?
I honestly don't mind not winning trophies that much. We've won 4 or 5 in my lifetime and will probably win another 5-10 before I kick the bucket. Most fans of most clubs would get 1 at best in that time. Or if you're Newcastle, nothing, ever, forever.
Depends. We might have a season like Leicester, we might have a flukey CL run like Liverwank did last season.
But until we actually prioritise winning a trophy we'll do nothing.
Poch saying winning a cup would own be for egos only is very worrying. It suggests he thinks our squad would win a trophy and settle for it and not try to win anything else. If that is the players we have, we'll not win anything for a long time.
Personally I think our players, especially the likes of Kane, Dele, Eriksen etc. are hungry for trophies and winning the league cup or the FA cup would only be the starter that would drive them on to bigger successes.
But until we actually prioritise winning a trophy we'll do nothing.
Poch saying winning a cup would own be for egos only is very worrying. It suggests he thinks our squad would win a trophy and settle for it and not try to win anything else. If that is the players we have, we'll not win anything for a long time.
Personally I think our players, especially the likes of Kane, Dele, Eriksen etc. are hungry for trophies and winning the league cup or the FA cup would only be the starter that would drive them on to bigger successes.
I'll add this thread to my ignore list for now and maybe revisit it if we win something.
I would have put my shirt on the League Cup this year and shit happened!! So it has to be next year, in our new Stadium.
I look forward to that
I look forward to that
For me this is largely the crux of the matter.
It's a fair point of view, but in the end if we're considered the 3rd or 4th best team in the land, we by definition have to get past 2-3 rounds, where we'll be odds against progressing (or get the luck of the draw and having even bigger odds against teams knocking out our superiors). That would imho make it a fluke. A small one, granted, but still a fluke.
Poch's stance appears to me to be that we'll never be considered or rated a top team by winning a domestic cup in these "fluky" circumstances, and he'll not let it derail the journey, he's looking to take himself, the squad and the club on to become the very best team in the country and winning trophies 100% on merit.
I think his recent comments on cup wins just building egos, along with a lot of the stuff from the book on him, shows that quite clearly.
It's completely valid to view cup wins, and even cup runs, differently than Poch does. Both in terms of what it does for fans and the mentality within a squad. That said his stance is abundantly clear to me, and if we want this great man as manager for the foreseeable future, we have to come to terms with it.
One of those players should be a 'replacement' for the more or less irreplaceable Eriksen.
The narrative, bought and paid for.