Watford @ Wembley. 30/01

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stevee said:
If it was for tactical reasons ONLY, to allow Moura to come on and run at their defence, why not sub Sissoko off ?

Subbing Sissoko would not have altered any change to the new approach and we would of have a "specialist" RB/WB on the pitch.

Unless as you say, Sissoko is better at running from deep and carrying the ball, which in effect is what a WB should be doing anyway.
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I'm saying that yeah Sissoko is better at carrying the ball up the pitch than Auier, I'd also say that he's better at doing that than Davies and Tripps too, in fact, this season that's been one of his features he brought to the team. It's valuable to us. Let's face it there wasn't any defending that was required by us, we had the ball and the territory, Watford were for the most part comfortable (bar a few Son moments) until Lucas came on and the dynamic of the game changed.
 
sammyspurs said:
Well what choice is there when Eriksen is playing on the halfway line and refuses to try anything whatsoever to unlock the defence. Lay offs in the middle of the pitch wont put Son in behind the back line
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I thought Eriksen didn't have his best game last night but it was a clear tactic to cross last night. I have winged previously for us not doing this when we have brought Llorente on (never thought we have ever played to his strengths) but fuck me we are absolutely shit at crossing the ball.
 
Guido said:
I'm saying that yeah Sissoko is better at carrying the ball up the pitch than Auier, I'd also say that he's better at doing that than Davies and Tripps too, in fact, this season that's been one of his features he brought to the team. It's valuable to us. Let's face it there wasn't any defending that was required by us, we had the ball and the territory, Watford were for the most part comfortable (bar a few Son moments) until Lucas came on and the dynamic of the game changed.
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Agree with all of this.

I know you don't rate Tripps, that's fine.

A different question is, do you think Aurier is good enough ?
Not in relation to Tripps, just in general.
 
stevee said:
Agree with all of this.

I know you don't rate Tripps, that's fine.

A different question is, do you think Aurier is good enough ?
Not in relation to Tripps, just in general.
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I think he's OK, think he's a balanced footballer by that I mean he OK going forward and OK defending, he links with the midfield too and has the technical ability to play out from the back.

However, we can do a lot better than him. I would still like for us to have more pace, more dominance at RB.

I'd drop Tripps and keep KWP and Auier an put money into a CM/DM (assuming I'm playing Football Manager and trying to balance the books), I'd be more than OK with these two for a season. But if I also if the opportunity to get another RB is there I'd move on that too, keeping KWP.
 
sammyspurs said:
Eriksen is not your friend.
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No, he is not.
sammyspurs said:
He’s a pro footballer
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Yes, he is.
sammyspurs said:
if he’s poor, I’ll say it.
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So will I.
sammyspurs said:
If it offends you,
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It doesn't.
sammyspurs said:
have a day off yourself, and get some real friends.
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I see you are fighting on multiple fronts today, and making more sense than the rest of the forum combined. If Eriksen had your fighting spirit, we would be top of the league.
 
Five said:
No, he is not.

Yes, he is.

So will I.

It doesn't.

I see you are fighting on multiple fronts today, and making more sense than the rest of the forum combined. If Eriksen had your fighting spirit, we would be top of the league.
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Yeah, but I was talking about one of our players....not sure what you're bringing to the discussion apart from nonsense
 
stevee said:
If it was for tactical reasons ONLY, to allow Moura to come on and run at their defence, why not sub Sissoko off ?

Subbing Sissoko would not have altered any change to the new approach and we would of have a "specialist" RB/WB on the pitch.

Unless as you say, Sissoko is better at running from deep and carrying the ball, which in effect is what a WB should be doing anyway.
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Guido said:
I'm saying that yeah Sissoko is better at carrying the ball up the pitch than Auier, I'd also say that he's better at doing that than Davies and Tripps too, in fact, this season that's been one of his features he brought to the team. It's valuable to us. Let's face it there wasn't any defending that was required by us, we had the ball and the territory, Watford were for the most part comfortable (bar a few Son moments) until Lucas came on and the dynamic of the game changed.
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Sissoko actually progresses the ball less than Winks, despite one of them playing as an 8 and the other as a 6/DM.

Sissoko deep progression ave 5.3

Winks 6.3

Winks last season (more as an 8) 8.3


Now I'm not saying Winks is particularly orgasmic, so what does that say about Sissoko's much vaunted "ball carrying" and wotnot. And then there is the quality issue to go with the quantity issue, there really isn't much point in him carrying it forward if when he gets there he rarely knows what to do next. Never does anything incisive, never plays a clever through ball etc.

It's a fucking sorry state of affairs if we are really lauding Sissoko's contribution as "valuable".
 
Guido said:
Yep.

Thought Auier was OK yesterday (not outstanding, OK), busier than Rose in the first half (Rose sensational, apart from his crossing, 2nd half).

His substitution was clearly tactical.
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Aurier was OK? Seriously?
I can only imagine the mullering you'd be giving Trippier if he'd been so bad that Poch had felt the need to do to him what he did to Aurier last night, something I have hardly ever seen him do in 5 years, take him off at half time. This wasn't tactical, because we kept the same Wb system, he took him off because he was fucking atrocious. And was against Chelsea too.
 
bus-conductor said:
Sissoko actually progresses the ball less than Winks, despite one of them playing as an 8 and the other as a 6/DM.

Sissoko deep progression ave 5.3

Winks 6.3

Winks last season (more as an 8) 8.3


Now I'm not saying Winks is particularly orgasmic, so what does that say about Sissoko's much vaunted "ball carrying" and wotnot. And then there is the quality issue to go with the quantity issue, there really isn't much point in him carrying it forward if when he gets there he rarely knows what to do next. Never does anything incisive, never plays a clever through ball etc.

It's a fucking sorry state of affairs if we are really lauding Sissoko's contribution as "valuable".
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What is deep progression? And how can there be 5.3 whatever the units are?
 
bus-conductor said:
Sissoko actually progresses the ball less than Winks, despite one of them playing as an 8 and the other as a 6/DM.

Sissoko deep progression ave 5.3

Winks 6.3

Winks last season (more as an 8) 8.3


Now I'm not saying Winks is particularly orgasmic, so what does that say about Sissoko's much vaunted "ball carrying" and wotnot. And then there is the quality issue to go with the quantity issue, there really isn't much point in him carrying it forward if when he gets there he rarely knows what to do next. Never does anything incisive, never plays a clever through ball etc.

It's a fucking sorry state of affairs if we are really lauding Sissoko's contribution as "valuable".
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Talk in English FFS, and stop quoting these meaningless feckin' statistics (most of which look like they were made up by a 15 year old YTS trainee anyway)

"Winks runs further with the ball under his control, than Sissoko does on average" would work fine.

I'm not as big a fan as some are of the guy, but to pass him off as a fraud is mental, he is providing a service, and that is his ability to break up play, support fullbacks and do grunt defensive work. When he runs with the ball he is quick and nigh on impossible to knock off it - but, as you say, his end product makes you wonder why he's allowed to do it. If he could play telling passes or put shots on target it would be worthwhile, but up until now there has only been minimal evidence of him, doing this - it's not a strength of his.
With that in mind, I would be happy to see him play right back, as his crossing is better than Aurier's and he's a better defender. Aurier would be better employed driving the team bus, or cutting up the oranges.
 
When we won games in the last 10 minutes 10 years ago I didn't remember discussing who had the worst deep progression average the day afterwards, we won a testing game

For fuck sake what is wrong with people
 
bus-conductor said:
Sissoko actually progresses the ball less than Winks, despite one of them playing as an 8 and the other as a 6/DM.

Sissoko deep progression ave 5.3

Winks 6.3

Winks last season (more as an 8) 8.3


Now I'm not saying Winks is particularly orgasmic, so what does that say about Sissoko's much vaunted "ball carrying" and wotnot. And then there is the quality issue to go with the quantity issue, there really isn't much point in him carrying it forward if when he gets there he rarely knows what to do next. Never does anything incisive, never plays a clever through ball etc.

It's a fucking sorry state of affairs if we are really lauding Sissoko's contribution as "valuable".
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Deep progression sounds like an 80’s electro band

Sissoko has been one of our most useful players this season, playing in various positions, and you don’t need stats to see that
 
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