Well, there's no point saying he should go on loan when you know that only happens to players deemed not quite first team material. If they're good enough, they get games, like Skipp. I'm pretty confident Parrot will get games this season.
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Well, there's no point saying he should go on loan when you know that only happens to players deemed not quite first team material. If they're good enough, they get games, like Skipp. I'm pretty confident Parrot will get games this season.
But he SHOULD go out on loan. Like most of our top academy players should be doing when they need valuable game time and not pathetic seconds or minutes in nothing games.
Skipp should have gone out on loan. He's not getting enough football, especially as he doesn't get any games with the U23s now. KWP should have gone out on loan years back. Tanganga is another one who should have gone out on loan this season. It's one of the few things Pochettino gets utterly wrong and it's baffling.
I'd say Skipp is lucky for the position he's in in terms of getting the minutes he does though. (Following on from Onomah and Winks) Certainly harder for KWP, Tanganga (or CCV previously) and now Parrott. We were barely going to take off any full backs during games (unless injuries), same with centre halves and it's rare enough that we ever take Kane off.
A shame really.
But he is only 18 years old. He probably won't be consistently starting for us (if he ever does) for another 3 years so no point worrying.. yet.
I don’t know enough about the inner coaching sanctum of spurs youth to add to this but I think it was openly accepted when we were whoring him out to all and sundry that we didn’t think we had Marco van basten in the making .
My hope was that this Parrott is considered such a talent that he could be considered good enough to play some PL and cup games for us this year.
Of course if he isn’t that far ahead talent wise and would be starved of minutes to develop as a player then yeah the tried and tested lower league loan it’ll be
Yeah. Training is definitely better than playing actual football.
You're right.
You’ll only get anywhere playing competitive football
Cough ... how many loans did Winks have? or Hoddle, Perryman, King ... The very best players don't need a season or two playing with a bunch of cloggers ... Parrot will get his minutes, 200 minutes at top level is probably better than a season with inferior players. Of course it's now much harder when he's coming in behind 500m worth of attacking players, but if he's good enough he'll get his chance.
Yeah winks played competitive football with us. He had that one season where he didn’t get much playing time but he was well integrated after that
Last season was the only season Winks has had since given his debut 5 years ago where he's started more than 9 league games.
Even then, its because he plays in a position we've had our most severe injury problems. Skipp won't have the same luxury unless Winks continues to have injury trouble and he's preferred.
Parrott has even less of a chance. Whilst Kane has proven to have his injury problems, Poch will just start match fit Son or Lucas instead.
Game time and playing consistently will always be more important than half arsed 5 a side games with the first team in training.
Even then, its because he plays in a position we've had our most severe injury problems. Skipp won't have the same luxury unless Winks continues to have injury trouble and he's preferred.
Parrott has even less of a chance. Whilst Kane has proven to have his injury problems, Poch will just start match fit Son or Lucas instead.
Game time and playing consistently will always be more important than half arsed 5 a side games with the first team in training.
So Winks being integrated into a position was all about "luck" and "injuries" and now Parrott won't get a look in because Kane will play 70 games and suddenly Poch, universally recognized as the best developer of young talent in the EPL, won't remember how it's done .... are you sure?
Loans are useful in determining whether a player has what's needed, however developing players within the squad as Poch has done with Dele, Foyth, KWP, Winks, Dier, Kane is a far better option if you believe the player has EPL quality, and that he will get game time.
There may come a time when we have Dybala as Kane's back-up, when like City we have two 100m squad players for every position, but that's not this season ... pretty sure Parrott will get his chance
Loans of course have great merit, but Parrott is just to good to be wasted ...
In an interview with Mick McCarthy, he (McCarthy) said that Parrot could end with either the 1st team or the U23's. He's in the squad of either of those, he's not a definite for the first team.
I don’t think any Poch session could be described as half arsed If someone messes about in training i’m Sure they will be told. He has always filmed training. According to his book, him and Jesus had words with a player because he was wandering about with his head down before training started.
Vert has probably suffered because of his training
Yes.
Winks' progression to our first team is all about luck and injuries. Exceptionally talented footballer who really has only got the chances given to him due to Dembele and Wanyama mostly being injured and Dier being found out as a non-midfielder. But the game is all about luck. Harry Kane can tell you that.
Loans are fucking useful for getting young players the relevant game time they need in competitive mens football. Otherwise they are stuck doing fuck all but playing the odd cup game against... you guessed it... "Cloggers" and playing no football at all. KWP is your example here. Should have been playing mens football from 19 years old onwards.
Glad you mentioned Dele though. A guy who's been playing competitive mens football since he was 16 years old. If only we signed him at 16 years old and just allowed him to train with our WORLD CLASS squad instead. Who knows. He may be even better.
"Best developer of young talent in the EPL" gave me a chuckle though.
You don't get how playing competitive mens football can be more important to a players development than simply training with good players?
I've seen training sessions mate. They're nothing on a competitive game of football. Tough? Sure. Enough to get you ready for competitive mens football at the highest level? Fucking no chance.
No where near as much as actually PLAYING football.
I mean, at this rate we may aswell just bow out of the academy leagues, surely? Our players will develop better training with the Spurs first team then actually playing football.... right? What's the point even having an academy? Sign them young and get them training with the men as early as possible.
Beats playing football.
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Oh dear .... everyone can have an opinion and obviously you and Poch disagree .... don't always agree with Poch but on this one for me it's a no brainer ... but you believe as you will.
However go and read up on who can play for the U23's then cross out your whole last paragraph, writing before thinking will I'm afraid always make you look a bit stupid ...
Troy played last night for the under 23's you need to understand that players can play for the under 23's and get called up to play in the first squad ...
Bet Troy got more out of playing football last night against a decent Man City side than he would ever get from playing in a second tier league ... and he scored a cracking goal ...
The first squad and the under 23's are there to collaborate on player development not compete ...
You should read up on how our academy works as you clearly are very misinformed.
Might I suggest you read this you just might change your view
Why is Mauricio Pochettino So Good at Blooding Young Talent? https://leadersinsport.com/performance/mauricio-pochettino/
When was the last time Skipp played for the U23s?
And how many times has he played for them over the last 12 month?
Parrott did play for the U23s last night and that's good for him at his age. Much rather that then sit on out bench this season. But there comes a point when kids football is pointless for development.
Next season he needs a better standard of football. Championship provides that. Unless of course a lower Prem club wants to give him 30+ starts. Wouldn't hold my breath though, he isn't a superstar.
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I'm just going to chip in on the Skipp/Parrott loan debate.
If someone's good enough then clearly they'll make it but a loan can help. Skipp has done very well but the question needs to be asked if he'd have got close to the first team last year if Wanyama, Dembele and Dier had been fit. For me a loan to the right club can do a lot of good but it needs to be to the right club.
Take Saliba at Woolwich for example. He has the potential but isn't ready so a loan back to St Etienne will probably do him favours. Personally I'd keep Parrott this year, see how he gets on, especially with Llorente not being here anymore.
Loans for me can be a good thing but it needs to be in the right environment as experience against senior pros where pressure of relegation or promotion can put hairs on their chest is a good thing. Players only get better with experience and at a club like Spurs blooding the likes of Skipp and Parrott can sometimes have too much risk involved if a top 4 race etc is bunched up. Loans are all good with me, depending on the circumstances.
If someone's good enough then clearly they'll make it but a loan can help. Skipp has done very well but the question needs to be asked if he'd have got close to the first team last year if Wanyama, Dembele and Dier had been fit. For me a loan to the right club can do a lot of good but it needs to be to the right club.
Take Saliba at Woolwich for example. He has the potential but isn't ready so a loan back to St Etienne will probably do him favours. Personally I'd keep Parrott this year, see how he gets on, especially with Llorente not being here anymore.
Loans for me can be a good thing but it needs to be in the right environment as experience against senior pros where pressure of relegation or promotion can put hairs on their chest is a good thing. Players only get better with experience and at a club like Spurs blooding the likes of Skipp and Parrott can sometimes have too much risk involved if a top 4 race etc is bunched up. Loans are all good with me, depending on the circumstances.