Tanguy Ndombele

[sammyspurs]

Imagine if Bale had gone to Notts Forest. Or Son back to Germany.... And what about De Bruyne and Salah? Now that is a bit of a worry considering who let them both go.

He let them go and won the league though

 

[WookieD]

He let them go and won the league though

True, but then collapsed as they had no one coming through.

 

[Arjun]

 

[tbonepremier]

IF we get rid of Mourinho before he fucks up the club and the players too badly, Ndombele and Lo Celso can become great players for us.

 

[NewZealand_Spur]

Do I think Skipp has the potential to be as viable as a 6 for us as Ndong ? Yes I do. But I don't know it fir sure. Anymore than you would have done about Ndong when he played his first 3 games. And he's still got flaws, as you say yourself - after 100+ games (nearer 200 I think).

Semi related but I don't recall Skipp ever making many mistakes. Handball against City was a VAR meme and iirc he got a yellow against Bayern in the dead rubber.

That is why I like him so much. We are so mistake prone generally.

 

[sammyspurs]

Even by YouTube standards that’s got to be the worst “look how good he is”’video out there

 

[Cactusman]

Of course Oduwa was talked about, who wouldn't talk about a kid in your ranks who could do stuff like this:



But the most salient point is that none of us proclaimed him to be the new Messi, none of us were demanding he start every PL game for ever more. All any of us discussed how we knew he still had elements of his game that needed massive work but how it would be nice to see him get the odd go off the bench and see if he could develop.

And this is all most of us ever say about any of the youth players - and even then it's literally only a handful over the last few years who any of us would even discuss as viable just to get some chances or minutes or the odd game.

But somehow this gets misrepresented as we are all youth facists who claim every youth player is the second coming and are demanding we have a team with 11 youth players. Which is utter bollocks.

The bottom line is, even those of us that watch the youth development are all still Spurs fans first, all we want is the best Spurs possible. We don't want it populated with Livermore's, Townsend's, Georgiou's and Shillow Tracey's any more than we want it populated with shit signings like Njie's and Sissoko's.




Ndong was relegated with Sunderland, played half the season (18 games) in the championship (in which he/they were utter garbage and sat bottom when he left) before being sent on loan to Watford where he didn't get a single start - Nada - Zero minutes.

He's ahead now because, having played PL (badly) Champo (badly), then loaned and failed to get a single minute at mighty newly promoted Watford, had his contract cancelled for being a dickhead, managed about 17 games in the next 3 years in Ligue1 and Ligue 2 for Guingamp, he's finally get games every week for the team currently sitting one place above the relegation zone in Ligue 1.

We've got players out on loan now at Champo teams playing better football, for teams doing better than Ndong did. Skipp would walk into any Champo side and do better than Ndong did. Does that prove they will be a success, no, does that prove Ndong was always a shit footballer, no. That is the point. Making a final judgement on players after a handful of games is stupid. You didn't do it for Ndong, why do it for the likes of our best youth products. When you accept sometimes players just need a longer than a few games to find their level and some consistency.

So you are now discussing this massively proven talent....same way some of us who watch the youth players progress discuss them...just the ones with talent - be that footballing talent, or defensive talent.




No that isn't all that matters. What matters is "is he going to be better than a Skipp who's had the 100+ games Ndong has now had. That is the fucking point. Because if he won't be then we could save that (cheap though it seems) 5-10m fee and 20 wages and spend it on someone who will be.

You're moaning that we could have these players for peanuts before the world realises - after they have played a season or two - they are decent, but ignoring the potential we might have here already for even less than peanuts, that needs to be developed using the same process.

Onomah was winning youth WC's - his ceiling was massive - didn't get one single minute in his natural position under Pochettino. Same KWP, three assists in his second league start for us, of course he had weaknesses - but like you are saying about Ndong - surely a player who can break a record for RB assists in one game might be worth giving more game time to and try to polish off the weaknesses because if you can you've POTENTIALLY got one of the best offensive RB's in the league?

Do I think Skipp has the potential to be as viable as a 6 for us as Ndong ? Yes I do. But I don't know it fir sure. Anymore than you would have done about Ndong when he played his first 3 games. And he's still got flaws, as you say yourself - after 100+ games (nearer 200 I think).


We both know judgement at any stage is possible, necessary but this whole demeaning of people who just want to see the very best - and only the very best - of our youth products get some kind of reasonable chance - even if that's being sent on loans - is disingenuous and misrepresents the truth.

He looks mustard in that video.

 

[sammyspurs]

He looks mustard in that video.

Looks like he likes mustard on his hot dogs

 

[Team Tanguy]

Even by YouTube standards that’s got to be the worst “look how good he is”’video out there

Damn this is almost like the Lamela thread before you changed your mind/agenda.

 

[sammyspurs]

Damn this is almost like the Lamela thread before you changed your mind/agenda.

It wasn’t an agenda.
Lamela was absolutely shit for two straight years....just facts

I don’t care for another expensive player that will look good in two years, we’vedone that to death. What we need is instantaneous improvements and those that can’t offer that needn’t apply.

I find it mind boggling how people are so disturbed by how crap we are but are happily given certain players free reign to be crap.

 

[Paul Gascoigne]

Im not sure if i was imagining it, but havent cared to watch the chelsea game back for obvious reasons. It seemed as though winks was the one picking the ball up in midfield from the centre backs. We probably need Tanguy to take on that role in my opinion.

But you have to be box to box not got your hand in a box of chocs

 

[Team Tanguy]

It wasn’t an agenda.
Lamela was absolutely shit for two straight years....just facts

I don’t care for another expensive player that will look good in two years, we’vedone that to death. What we need is instantaneous improvements and those that can’t offer that needn’t apply.

I find it mind boggling how people are so disturbed by how crap we are but are happily given certain players free reign to be crap.

M8 the way you analyse players is proper retarded.
Your logic is insane.

You defend our shit players and attack most of our best players. Your reasoning is that the shit players don't have the responsibility of the superstars so it's okay.

Well yes they have less responsibility but that's why we need to upgrade those shit players with better players who can take more responsibility.

By your logic Liverpool would not have bought Allison and VVD. Instead they'd sign a striker who scores more than Firmino. Or new wingers as Salah/Mane's output wasn't good enough for any trophy 2 season's ago.

Somehow you've managed to disregard the concept of strengthening weak areas and instead focus on attacking our more productive players saying they should score/assist more. Are you alright in the head?
Can you not see how recruiting a player who is as good in their position as our best players are will benefit the team?

Ah you know what I can already place myself on the spectrum and predict your responses.

"Will a new LB/RB have stopped Dele missing those sitters?"

The whole pattern of games would be changed with better players. For example better fullbacks means more width. Less trouble against pacey wingers. Better passing. More space for central players.

Either you're really dumb or it's an agenda. I think mostly an agenda. Your old Jose posts show you're a weird contrarian.

 

[sammyspurs]

M8 the way you analyse players is proper retarded.
Your logic is insane.

You defend our shit players and attack most of our best players. Your reasoning is that the shit players don't have the responsibility of the superstars so it's okay.

Well yes they have less responsibility but that's why we need to upgrade those shit players with better players who can take more responsibility.

By your logic Liverpool would not have bought Allison and VVD. Instead they'd sign a striker who scores more than Firmino. Or new wingers as Salah/Mane's output wasn't good enough for any trophy 2 season's ago.

Somehow you've managed to disregard the concept of strengthening weak areas and instead focus on attacking our more productive players saying they should score/assist more. Are you alright in the head?
Can you not see how recruiting a player who is as good in their position as our best players are will benefit the team?

Ah you know what I can already place myself on the spectrum and predict your responses.

"Will a new LB/RB have stopped Dele missing those sitters?"

The whole pattern of games would be changed with better players. For example better fullbacks means more width. Less trouble against pacey wingers. Better passing. More space for central players.

Either you're really dumb or it's an agenda. I think mostly an agenda. Your old Jose posts show you're a weird contrarian.

Yet was one of three people out of an entire fan base who could see Eriksen was shite

 

[Park Lane Mark Twain]

Alasdair Gold has now given the lowdown on what this involves, whether it is working, and whether Spurs fans will eventually see Ndombele at his best.

He said (Football London): “I think we’ll start to see it with every passing week. Getting 60 minutes into his legs was a big deal. Yes, he looked knackered at times, but if he came through it without any injuries then it’s a step in the right direction.

“I asked Mourinho a couple of days ago why after six months of the season, following a full pre-season, he still couldn’t rely on Ndombele to play 90 minutes and he simply said it was all the niggling little injuries that had messed up his fitness.

“I followed that up with pretty much your question, had he seen benefits of putting the Frenchman on the ‘global training programme’ to improve his all-round fitness, diet and nutrition. His answer was simply that at least he hadn’t got injured since which I guess is progress.

“Ndombele is the only one who can fix his problems. He’s got all the talent in the world and he could be a devastating weapon in Mourinho’s armoury if he had the fitness to allow him to do what he does as a box to box player for 90 minutes.

“The Premier League is a very different proposition physically from Ligue 1 and we mustn’t forget that Ndombele was playing lower league French football only four seasons or so ago so his body is playing catch-up.

“Many foreign players need at least a season to adjust, Ndombele’s problem is that Spurs shelled out a club record £63million all in for him and will be expecting a return on that sum.”

 

[ArjyBarjy]

But you have to be box to box not got your hand in a box of chocs

from box to box to box...

 

[Sunglasses Ron]

As a fan base we gave Soldado and Janssen so much time and support based on very little. We have N'dombele who is showing all the talent but a lack of fitness and he should be sold in the summer? Classic.

I don't think anybody is questioning the talent he has with the ball at his feet. Technically, he's in a different league to the two players you mention above, and many, many others. It's a question of application.

I've never seen anything like it. He's criminally unfit. Taking the piss unfit.

Record signing, with a full pre-season, and the bloke looks fucked after 10 minutes.

And don't start with the 'injuries have hampered his progress' nonsense. I will accept it's probably made his integration with the squad slightly more difficult, and the change in manager has too. But to be blowing after 10 - 15 minutes??? Fuck off.

Contrast that to Ben Davies playing almost 180 minutes in 4 days after months out.

I pray it works out, as he's obviously the most gifted player we have, but I've genuinely never known the likes of this in regards to his fitness level. This isn't a 'he needs to get up to speed with the PL' type fitness issue either, as he'd look off the pace playing Sunday league at the minute.

 

[COckneY Spurs]

Will be interesting to see if Liverpool fans slagged off Keita quite as much as Spurs fans do Ndombele after 6 months in a new league.

To be fair the way Liverpool are going right now they wouldn’t slag off Phil Jones if they had just bought him last summer, never mind their record transfer.....

 

[Jenny Talia]

Alasdair Gold has now given the lowdown on what this involves, whether it is working, and whether Spurs fans will eventually see Ndombele at his best.

He said (Football London): “I think we’ll start to see it with every passing week. Getting 60 minutes into his legs was a big deal. Yes, he looked knackered at times, but if he came through it without any injuries then it’s a step in the right direction.

“I asked Mourinho a couple of days ago why after six months of the season, following a full pre-season, he still couldn’t rely on Ndombele to play 90 minutes and he simply said it was all the niggling little injuries that had messed up his fitness.

“I followed that up with pretty much your question, had he seen benefits of putting the Frenchman on the ‘global training programme’ to improve his all-round fitness, diet and nutrition. His answer was simply that at least he hadn’t got injured since which I guess is progress.

“Ndombele is the only one who can fix his problems. He’s got all the talent in the world and he could be a devastating weapon in Mourinho’s armoury if he had the fitness to allow him to do what he does as a box to box player for 90 minutes.

“The Premier League is a very different proposition physically from Ligue 1 and we mustn’t forget that Ndombele was playing lower league French football only four seasons or so ago so his body is playing catch-up.

“Many foreign players need at least a season to adjust, Ndombele’s problem is that Spurs shelled out a club record £63million all in for him and will be expecting a return on that sum.”

That is what people can't get their head around ... he has been with us for 8 months.
Not adjusted to a new league, new country etc. we get all that. But after 8 months how can a top professional be in the state he is in?

 

[Park Lane Mark Twain]

That is what people can't get their head around ... he has been with us for 8 months.
Not adjusted to a new league, new country etc. we get all that. But after 8 months how can a top professional be in the state he is in?

Mourinho did say this though:

“I asked Mourinho a couple of days ago why after six months of the season, following a full pre-season, he still couldn’t rely on Ndombele to play 90 minutes and he simply said it was all the niggling little injuries that had messed up his fitness."


Tanguy has had hip, hamstring and groin injuries in the short space of time he's been with us. That combined with a new league and new speed to adjust to could easily act as a bigger hinderance to his progression both during games and during training than we know. Difficult to say without knowing the extent of it all.

 

[rusty]

without the ball at his feet he looks like that pub team player that used to be good before he found drink, with the ball he looks like dembele 2
its not helped by the leant over jogging style he has, maybe worth getting specialist running and posture coaches to work on him